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Old 09-10-2006, 09:45 AM
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Great race but Michael made it official, he is retiring. A victory at Monza, within 2 points of the Championship lead, with 3 races to go. He has 90 Grand Prix victories, wow. I am sad I think....
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yea but better to go out on top than be like an old boxer with no money looking to hang for the one payday.

He is great but it is time to see the new guys. Better than ending up like Senna. I am sure his family is glad now they can enjoy the money. He should start a team of his own



AND Toyota BOMBS again with a 600 million dollar budget

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I'm happy for Michael. Must be hard to quit, I wish him well.
Toyota? Maybe they need to drop a Billion?
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I have seen the future, and it is spelled "Robert Kubica"
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Old 09-10-2006, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by johninar
I'm happy for Michael. Must be hard to quit, I wish him well.
Toyota? Maybe they need to drop a Billion?

They tried spending their way to the top and spying their way and failed
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Yea that breaks my heart! They must be really serious about NASCAR though, they hired Michael Waltrip
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
AND Toyota BOMBS again with a 600 million dollar budget
That's the saddest thing of all. Toyota was racing Red Bull and Toro Rosso today. How pathetic is that? Scott Speed is basically driving an updated Minardi.
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Alonso was whining about losing the race because of his penalty and that the race was decided before it started and if he hadn't had to start from 10th he would have been able to save his car and not have it blow up 4 laps from the end.

He needs to face it that Renault and Michelin have not kept up.

(Penalty was BS though)
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What was the penality for?
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
AND Toyota BOMBS again with a 600 million dollar budget
Dosn't Toyota have a lot of infighting problems with its team? The Toyota team head guy, Otmar somthing is constatly fighting with Japan. Japan wants to desgin the cars and engines, but Otmar says Japan takes too long. Leadership is not there and they is not the leadership backing from Japan.

IMHO Toyota will never succeed until there is ONE boss and the Toyota Corperate backs that person.
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Originally Posted by ghoffman
What was the penality for?
Alonzo cut a tire down in the final qual session...came in to get new shoes and came back out on track. Massa was on his last qual lap and Alonzo came out of the pits 1 or 2 seconds ahead of him. Massa claimed that Alonzo blocked him (or hindered maybe) so they penalized Alonzo's best 3 laps or something like that and he started 10th.

I don't think they should have penalized Alonzo; but I also thought the Monaco penalty against Mike was BS. I also thought that the previous penalties against Alonzo (for brake checking a back-marker on test day) and Mike (for supposedly passing under a red flag) were crap too.

The Ferrari "flexi-wing" and the Renault "mass dampers" have both been penalized/banned just for good measure. As far as I'm concern, everything is now even so it's the best 2 out of 3 races to determine the world champ. Let the Drivers in their cars ON TRACK determine it please FIA!!!!!!!!
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I notice the Renault wing was flexing a lot this past weekend......

While Alonso certainly didn't cut out in front of Massa, the aero in these cars is SO bad in traffic, that even being 5-6 car lengths behind someone causes the cars to push right off of the track. While the penalty was a bit harsh, if the FIA wants drivers to wave cars by during warm-up laps, they better document it as a policy. This has been an awesome F1 year, but many of the penalties seem to just come from no-where!

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