Pescarolo takes aim at ACO
10-25-2006, 07:46 PM
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Member Since: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,763
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pescarolo takes aim at ACO
Diesel needs to eliminated in P1, imo.
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/news.html
http://translate.google.com/translat...pescarolo.com/
http://www.mulsannescorner.com/news.html
http://translate.google.com/translat...pescarolo.com/
10-25-2006, 10:07 PM
#3
Race Director
equilized yes, eliminated NO! We should embrace diesels (my wife has a new TDI Jetta, 40mpg), and hybrids (again) in motorsports when the technology comes of age.
10-25-2006, 10:22 PM
#4
Originally Posted by davidfarmer
equilized yes, eliminated NO! We should embrace diesels (my wife has a new TDI Jetta, 40mpg), and hybrids (again) in motorsports when the technology comes of age.
The R10 is awesome! What's even better is that a lot of the technology can be filtered down into consumer cars (unlike NASCAR). I love that they can make a performance diesel with no noise, no smell and no smoke.
10-25-2006, 10:34 PM
#5
Team Owner
92,000 on my Dodge dooley cruising at 50 MPH with 1000 lb. in 7000 lb. truck 26.8 MPG 
Hey they looked at the rules and built the vehicle to win. I am sure then spent a ton on it also. Now you are going to change the rules?
Hey they looked at the rules and built the vehicle to win. I am sure then spent a ton on it also. Now you are going to change the rules?
10-26-2006, 03:28 AM
#6
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Member Since: Mar 2005
Posts: 2,763
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The rules were messed up from the start.
Diesels get an additional 1.5 liters of displacement than turbochaged gasoline engines in P1.
Rob Dyson: A level playing field is needed
http://www.the-paddock.net/content/view/240615/49/
A look back at turbine engines at Indy
The following is from the September/October, 2006 issue of AUTO Aficionado:
"There's no doubt the Audi's technical achievment, in winning with their specially designed and built diesel V-12, was a stunning victory, but it brought to mind the first use of turbine engines at the Indy 500. The whooshmobiles were incredibly fast and there was no doubt that if permitted to continue in that USAC series, they would have overwhelmed the piston-engined racers. The problem was that turbines were a clever technical novelty and should never have been allowed to run at Indy. Sure, one has to applaud the innovation of technical achievement but not at the expense of the entire series. The turbines were almost silent, much like the Audi R10 diesels, and thus almost as interesting to watch as traffic on the freeway.
Even if Pescarolo had matched the Audi's speed, there's no way the French cars could have won as the diesel's superiority in mileage gave them the edge, just as the direct gasoline injection Audi R8s did for four years over every other constructor at Le Mans [Team LNT's GT2 Panoz had the fewest stops of any car at Le Mans this year]. The Indy officials, seeing the threat in having the whole field of piston-engined cars immediately become obsolete, banned the turbines and saved millions of dollars for the entrants who would have had to scrap their old cars to compete.
The present situation in France is far more difficult as it now would be immpossible to ban the diesels because the French, in formulating the new rules to include diesels, thought that Peugeot would immediatley develop a diesel that would bring victory and glory to France."
How Gas Turbine Engines work:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/turbine3.htm
Diesels get an additional 1.5 liters of displacement than turbochaged gasoline engines in P1.
Rob Dyson: A level playing field is needed
http://www.the-paddock.net/content/view/240615/49/
A look back at turbine engines at Indy
The following is from the September/October, 2006 issue of AUTO Aficionado:
"There's no doubt the Audi's technical achievment, in winning with their specially designed and built diesel V-12, was a stunning victory, but it brought to mind the first use of turbine engines at the Indy 500. The whooshmobiles were incredibly fast and there was no doubt that if permitted to continue in that USAC series, they would have overwhelmed the piston-engined racers. The problem was that turbines were a clever technical novelty and should never have been allowed to run at Indy. Sure, one has to applaud the innovation of technical achievement but not at the expense of the entire series. The turbines were almost silent, much like the Audi R10 diesels, and thus almost as interesting to watch as traffic on the freeway.
Even if Pescarolo had matched the Audi's speed, there's no way the French cars could have won as the diesel's superiority in mileage gave them the edge, just as the direct gasoline injection Audi R8s did for four years over every other constructor at Le Mans [Team LNT's GT2 Panoz had the fewest stops of any car at Le Mans this year]. The Indy officials, seeing the threat in having the whole field of piston-engined cars immediately become obsolete, banned the turbines and saved millions of dollars for the entrants who would have had to scrap their old cars to compete.
The present situation in France is far more difficult as it now would be immpossible to ban the diesels because the French, in formulating the new rules to include diesels, thought that Peugeot would immediatley develop a diesel that would bring victory and glory to France."
How Gas Turbine Engines work:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/turbine3.htm
10-26-2006, 08:33 AM
#7
Race Director
Gasoline engines are inherantly very inneficient. Diesels less so (no vacuum to suck exhaust back in during part throttle, higher compression).
However, the require larger displacement due to the lower rpm, and this is due to the slow burning nature of diesel fuel. The DID give the TDI an advantage, and incentive shall we say, but that should go away in the future.
And a final note, while current direct rail injection diesels do run fairly clean, Audi has the advantage of super-refined fuel AND they run some sort of exhaust FILTER. You won't see this technology on big-rigs anytime soon.
However, the require larger displacement due to the lower rpm, and this is due to the slow burning nature of diesel fuel. The DID give the TDI an advantage, and incentive shall we say, but that should go away in the future.
And a final note, while current direct rail injection diesels do run fairly clean, Audi has the advantage of super-refined fuel AND they run some sort of exhaust FILTER. You won't see this technology on big-rigs anytime soon.
Last edited by davidfarmer; 10-26-2006 at 09:21 AM.