Need In-car Videos of Willow Springs and Streets of Willow.
#1
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Need In-car Videos of Willow Springs and Streets of Willow.
This particular Ohio boy is going to be out in California next week driving an '07 Z06 @ Willow Springs. It is a project for Chevrolet and a television show. Since I have never been to Willow I would like to see as many in-car videos of there as possible, although I am a very quick study of most roadcourses ( autox experience helps immencely). Any incar Corvette videos would be appreciated, especially ones in C6 Z06's that are being driven to the limit....the only way to drive.
TIA.......
TIA.......
Last edited by RAFTRACER; 11-24-2006 at 08:48 PM.
#2
Team Owner
Originally Posted by RAFTRACER
This particular Ohio boy is going to be out in California next week driving an '07 Z06 @ Willow Springs. It is a project for Chevrolet and a television show. Since I have never been to Willow I would like to see as many in-car videos of there as possible, although I am a very quick study of most roadcourses ( autox experience helps immensly). Any incar Corvette videos would be appreciated, especially ones in C6 Z06's that are being driven to the limit....the only way to drive.
TIA.......
TIA.......
I will be very happy, and then some, to fill in for you.
Hell, I would be happy to go watch !!!!!!!
#3
Melting Slicks
For a good video of WSIR (big track) check out this video from the Open Track Racing forum
http://opentrackracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2419
Jack Olsen is our chief instructor and drives a P-car, but it gives you a good idea of the track. Jack laps at 1:30 flat (100 mph avg speed). Fastest stock C6Z06 lap I know of is 1:31.8 (Kim Wolfkill, Road & Track road test)
For Streets of Willow videos, John Wurth has a number of them posted
http://www.wurthmotorsports.com/Stre...lap_videos.asp
http://opentrackracing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2419
Jack Olsen is our chief instructor and drives a P-car, but it gives you a good idea of the track. Jack laps at 1:30 flat (100 mph avg speed). Fastest stock C6Z06 lap I know of is 1:31.8 (Kim Wolfkill, Road & Track road test)
For Streets of Willow videos, John Wurth has a number of them posted
http://www.wurthmotorsports.com/Stre...lap_videos.asp
#5
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by StArrow68
Joe,
Thanks for the WSI videos and especially the discussions as well. Some
day I just may get to that track. Enjoy the Turkey,
Randy
Thanks for the WSI videos and especially the discussions as well. Some
day I just may get to that track. Enjoy the Turkey,
Randy
.....and we need to get you down to WSIR. We are always looking for new members of the "WSIR sand and gravel club"
#6
Team Owner
Originally Posted by joemoia
Happy Holidays to you Randy. I'll be having shoulder surgery next Monday, and hopefully I'll recover in time for Feb. at BW with SV.
.....and we need to get you down to WSIR. We are always looking for new members of the "WSIR sand and gravel club"
.....and we need to get you down to WSIR. We are always looking for new members of the "WSIR sand and gravel club"
Joe that is insane how is the track surface dirty?
#7
Originally Posted by RAFTRACER
This particular Ohio boy is going to be out in California next week driving an '07 Z06 @ Willow Springs. It is a project for Chevrolet and a television show. Since I have never been to Willow I would like to see as many in-car videos of there as possible, although I am a very quick study of most roadcourses ( autox experience helps immensly). Any incar Corvette videos would be appreciated, especially ones in C6 Z06's that are being driven to the limit....the only way to drive.
TIA.......
TIA.......
It'll be interesting to see what that 6Z can really do, so far I haven't seen very impressive numbers but I don't think anyone has really stood on the gas just yet...
Sumthin tells me thats about to change...
sbw
#8
Melting Slicks
That's too cool, Danny You're gonna have a blast!! Pls post when/where the segment will be aired, OK?
#9
Melting Slicks
Originally Posted by John Shiels
Joe that is insane how is the track surface dirty?
Actually the surface is pretty clean, unless the wind is REALLY blowing. The track surface is raised about an inch off the desert floor
#11
Advanced
This helps as well:
Turn 1 -Turn One is a rather steeply banked 90-degree left, which ends the longest straight. It is a deceivingly fast turn taken in one gear below top in most cars. Late apex and get back on the gas very early remember it is banked. The right edge of the road is not visible until you pop out of the banking at the exit, making it tricky to use the entire road. This is a very important corner and an excellent place to pass on a late brake.
Turn 2 - A short straight precedes Turn Two: a fast 450-foot radius 200-degree right. Some banking and a slight uphill raise aid adhesion until the exit where the banking ends and the road levels out. Most cars like to run slightly inside of the middle of the road, apexing gently about three-quarters of the way into the corner. Spend some time balancing the car for this turn because a large percentage of your time is spent here. Too much under steer and you'll scrub speed and have to lift to apex; too much over steer and you'll have to ease off the power.
Turn 3 - In most cases the same gear is used from Turn One until downshifting for Turn Three the slowest turn on the track. Braking deep into Three is important because can you overtake here. An uphill well-banked 100-degree corner, Turn Three is again faster than it looks. A late apex and early throttle squirts you up the hill and into the difficult right-hand double apex Turn Four.
Turn 4 - Climb the hill and hug the right until the road starts to level. Now allow the car to move to the left side in preparation for a late apex because the turn tightens and heads steeply downhill.
Turn 5 - The right-hand jog preceding the left-hand Turn Five complicates the braking zone of Five. No matter how deep you go into five, the car is still loaded from the jog and traveling steeply downhill. Be willing to forego the perfect line into five; you can't get to the extreme right if you've gone in really deep. You can make up some of this lost ground by hanging a left front wheel in the dirt at the apex. At the exit the road starts uphill; you'll get some stick here so get on the throttle early.
Turn 6 - On the short uphill run to the right-hand Turn Six, don't bother getting to the extreme left before the entry. In a fast car, it is difficult and in a slower car completely unnecessary. In the middle of this fast turn, the road goes from uphill to downhill so you have to deal with an almost complete loss of stick for an instant. Short shift up and apex early to get most of the work done before the car goes light. In a faster car, it may take some time to gain confidence, but lose time here and you'll suffer all the way into Turn Nine.
Turn 7 - Seven is no more than a gentle bend in the straight. Stay left for the entry to eight unless you are trying to block someone's inside line into eight.
Turn 8 - In a fast car right-hand turn eight is one of those places where your right foot seems to have better sense than your brain. In most cars it is a no lift comer, but it's kind of scary at first. Enter Eight early and drive around the inside with no pronounced apex. Before the road straightens, let the car drift to the outside of the road.
Turn 9 - Leaving Eight you just have time to glance at the tach to check your top speed before entering one of the world's worst Turn Nine. This turn is very hard to get right, but essential for good lap times. It is a top gear turn in most cars, a 90-degree decreasing radius right turn with an exit you can't see until you get there. Enter from the left, but move right slightly in the early part to give yourself some room for error. There is a strong tendency to apex too early because it feels safer. Try to avoid this because you'll have to lift at the exit. Pick a reference that identifies the apex for you. You should be approaching full throttle before the apex in even the fastest car. The exit brings you to the outside of the pit straight and the end of your lap.
DO NOT early apex 9.
Turn 1 -Turn One is a rather steeply banked 90-degree left, which ends the longest straight. It is a deceivingly fast turn taken in one gear below top in most cars. Late apex and get back on the gas very early remember it is banked. The right edge of the road is not visible until you pop out of the banking at the exit, making it tricky to use the entire road. This is a very important corner and an excellent place to pass on a late brake.
Turn 2 - A short straight precedes Turn Two: a fast 450-foot radius 200-degree right. Some banking and a slight uphill raise aid adhesion until the exit where the banking ends and the road levels out. Most cars like to run slightly inside of the middle of the road, apexing gently about three-quarters of the way into the corner. Spend some time balancing the car for this turn because a large percentage of your time is spent here. Too much under steer and you'll scrub speed and have to lift to apex; too much over steer and you'll have to ease off the power.
Turn 3 - In most cases the same gear is used from Turn One until downshifting for Turn Three the slowest turn on the track. Braking deep into Three is important because can you overtake here. An uphill well-banked 100-degree corner, Turn Three is again faster than it looks. A late apex and early throttle squirts you up the hill and into the difficult right-hand double apex Turn Four.
Turn 4 - Climb the hill and hug the right until the road starts to level. Now allow the car to move to the left side in preparation for a late apex because the turn tightens and heads steeply downhill.
Turn 5 - The right-hand jog preceding the left-hand Turn Five complicates the braking zone of Five. No matter how deep you go into five, the car is still loaded from the jog and traveling steeply downhill. Be willing to forego the perfect line into five; you can't get to the extreme right if you've gone in really deep. You can make up some of this lost ground by hanging a left front wheel in the dirt at the apex. At the exit the road starts uphill; you'll get some stick here so get on the throttle early.
Turn 6 - On the short uphill run to the right-hand Turn Six, don't bother getting to the extreme left before the entry. In a fast car, it is difficult and in a slower car completely unnecessary. In the middle of this fast turn, the road goes from uphill to downhill so you have to deal with an almost complete loss of stick for an instant. Short shift up and apex early to get most of the work done before the car goes light. In a faster car, it may take some time to gain confidence, but lose time here and you'll suffer all the way into Turn Nine.
Turn 7 - Seven is no more than a gentle bend in the straight. Stay left for the entry to eight unless you are trying to block someone's inside line into eight.
Turn 8 - In a fast car right-hand turn eight is one of those places where your right foot seems to have better sense than your brain. In most cars it is a no lift comer, but it's kind of scary at first. Enter Eight early and drive around the inside with no pronounced apex. Before the road straightens, let the car drift to the outside of the road.
Turn 9 - Leaving Eight you just have time to glance at the tach to check your top speed before entering one of the world's worst Turn Nine. This turn is very hard to get right, but essential for good lap times. It is a top gear turn in most cars, a 90-degree decreasing radius right turn with an exit you can't see until you get there. Enter from the left, but move right slightly in the early part to give yourself some room for error. There is a strong tendency to apex too early because it feels safer. Try to avoid this because you'll have to lift at the exit. Pick a reference that identifies the apex for you. You should be approaching full throttle before the apex in even the fastest car. The exit brings you to the outside of the pit straight and the end of your lap.
DO NOT early apex 9.
#12
Le Mans Master
Hi Raft:
Terry Free turns 1:28s on the WSIR track in a C6 Z06 running V710s and headers, so the car is close to stock.
I don't have any real good video of the big track, but I do have some good clips from Streets of Willow Springs. Here is a clips from just this past Friday at SoWS. I just repainted CJ Johnson's #55 T1 car, made a few tweaks and was shaking it down at the track. This clip is CCW.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07661689196436
I turned a 1:23.818 with old scrubs and a passenger. I am going back in two weeks and I want to do a 1:22.xxx. I am curious to know what times you do on this track.
This is SoWS again clock-wise in my street licensed Z16 turning 1:25s and 1:26s on the cleaner laps.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52761755577805
That same weekend of December 9-10 I plan to sign-up with TCRA for a day and try the new car on the big track. I am guessing that I will be able to turn 1:29s plus or minus a bit.... I wish I had some good video from the big track. I will need to make some.
Terry Free turns 1:28s on the WSIR track in a C6 Z06 running V710s and headers, so the car is close to stock.
I don't have any real good video of the big track, but I do have some good clips from Streets of Willow Springs. Here is a clips from just this past Friday at SoWS. I just repainted CJ Johnson's #55 T1 car, made a few tweaks and was shaking it down at the track. This clip is CCW.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07661689196436
I turned a 1:23.818 with old scrubs and a passenger. I am going back in two weeks and I want to do a 1:22.xxx. I am curious to know what times you do on this track.
This is SoWS again clock-wise in my street licensed Z16 turning 1:25s and 1:26s on the cleaner laps.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52761755577805
That same weekend of December 9-10 I plan to sign-up with TCRA for a day and try the new car on the big track. I am guessing that I will be able to turn 1:29s plus or minus a bit.... I wish I had some good video from the big track. I will need to make some.
#13
Safety Car
Originally Posted by RAFTRACER
This particular Ohio boy is going to be out in California next week driving an '07 Z06 @ Willow Springs. It is a project for Chevrolet and a television show. Since I have never been to Willow I would like to see as many in-car videos of there as possible, although I am a very quick study of most roadcourses ( autox experience helps immensly). Any incar Corvette videos would be appreciated, especially ones in C6 Z06's that are being driven to the limit....the only way to drive.
TIA.......
TIA.......
Please post some in-car video of your Willow Springs drive when you get back.
Something that shows your handspeed dancing at, and over, the limit.
#15
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Bink
Please post some in-car video of your Willow Springs drive when you get back.
Something that shows your handspeed dancing at, and over, the limit.
Something that shows your handspeed dancing at, and over, the limit.
I dont know if I will capture video myself, but I am sure they will......I'll report later what this is all about, gotta go get some turkey ready.
#16
Originally Posted by Olitho
Hi Raft:
Terry Free turns 1:28s on the WSIR track in a C6 Z06 running V710s and headers, so the car is close to stock.
I don't have any real good video of the big track, but I do have some good clips from Streets of Willow Springs. Here is a clips from just this past Friday at SoWS. I just repainted CJ Johnson's #55 T1 car, made a few tweaks and was shaking it down at the track. This clip is CCW.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07661689196436
I turned a 1:23.818 with old scrubs and a passenger. I am going back in two weeks and I want to do a 1:22.xxx. I am curious to know what times you do on this track.
This is SoWS again clock-wise in my street licensed Z16 turning 1:25s and 1:26s on the cleaner laps.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52761755577805
That same weekend of December 9-10 I plan to sign-up with TCRA for a day and try the new car on the big track. I am guessing that I will be able to turn 1:29s plus or minus a bit.... I wish I had some good video from the big track. I will need to make some.
Terry Free turns 1:28s on the WSIR track in a C6 Z06 running V710s and headers, so the car is close to stock.
I don't have any real good video of the big track, but I do have some good clips from Streets of Willow Springs. Here is a clips from just this past Friday at SoWS. I just repainted CJ Johnson's #55 T1 car, made a few tweaks and was shaking it down at the track. This clip is CCW.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...07661689196436
I turned a 1:23.818 with old scrubs and a passenger. I am going back in two weeks and I want to do a 1:22.xxx. I am curious to know what times you do on this track.
This is SoWS again clock-wise in my street licensed Z16 turning 1:25s and 1:26s on the cleaner laps.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...52761755577805
That same weekend of December 9-10 I plan to sign-up with TCRA for a day and try the new car on the big track. I am guessing that I will be able to turn 1:29s plus or minus a bit.... I wish I had some good video from the big track. I will need to make some.
I'm betting 1:26's on the Big Track for you Oli! I'll see you at SoW (but I'll be in the extra-slo group) in Dec!
BTW, they don't call him JOE DIRT for nuthin!
Happy T-day and here's a T-day read for you all, when you get bored and zoned out on L-Tryptophan...
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=2918517&page=1
Best post I've ever read on the "internetS" !!
#17
Originally Posted by RAFTRACER
This particular Ohio boy is going to be out in California next week driving an '07 Z06 @ Willow Springs. It is a project for Chevrolet and a television show. Since I have never been to Willow I would like to see as many in-car videos of there as possible, although I am a very quick study of most roadcourses ( autox experience helps immensly). Any incar Corvette videos would be appreciated, especially ones in C6 Z06's that are being driven to the limit....the only way to drive.
TIA.......
TIA.......
Good luck and I can't wait to see the show.
Last edited by Z06_505; 11-25-2006 at 09:31 AM.
#19
Le Mans Master
Great to hear, Danny! I can't wait to hear.....the rest of the story!
Good luck and "Let the rough side drag, Let the smooth side show!"
Good luck and "Let the rough side drag, Let the smooth side show!"
#20
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Originally Posted by Z06_505
So cool Danny. Aren't you glad I let you drive my beast around the Ford lot last month?
Godd luck and I can't wait to see the show.
Godd luck and I can't wait to see the show.
BTW, Sam, you still suck. When you gonna invite me to come down to Florida over the winter and help you with your driving lessons at some place like Sebring? No need to wait until next year up here. There is no time like the present......I'll even come down and subject myself to your cooking :>)