Brake Pad Selection for AutoX
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Brake Pad Selection for AutoX
OK, I run a 04 Z06 is SCCA SS and will need to replace the OEM pads soon. I've looked around and I'm not sure what to go with, I think the main choices are the following
PFC Z rated
Hawk HP+
CarbonTech Bobcat
CarbonTech Panther
From what I see the Pather's are too agressive a pad and maybe a better track pad. So I'm curious about people opinions on the other three. I still will drive the car on the street but not a lot, I can handle a bit of dusting not to crazy about squealing though. The mix of street to AutoX is maybe 70/30 respectively. Of COurse I want as much stopping power as possible without replace rotors every 6 months
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PFC Z rated
Hawk HP+
CarbonTech Bobcat
CarbonTech Panther
From what I see the Pather's are too agressive a pad and maybe a better track pad. So I'm curious about people opinions on the other three. I still will drive the car on the street but not a lot, I can handle a bit of dusting not to crazy about squealing though. The mix of street to AutoX is maybe 70/30 respectively. Of COurse I want as much stopping power as possible without replace rotors every 6 months
Thanks
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Mike,
The Panther Plus is not too aggresive. I have used panther plus for
a few years. I have also used HP+ and they are very good. Paul uses
Cobalt pads and is very happy with them.
Russ
The Panther Plus is not too aggresive. I have used panther plus for
a few years. I have also used HP+ and they are very good. Paul uses
Cobalt pads and is very happy with them.
Russ
OK, I run a 04 Z06 is SCCA SS and will need to replace the OEM pads soon. I've looked around and I'm not sure what to go with, I think the main choices are the following
PFC Z rated
Hawk HP+
CarbonTech Bobcat
CarbonTech Panther
From what I see the Pather's are too agressive a pad and maybe a better track pad. So I'm curious about people opinions on the other three. I still will drive the car on the street but not a lot, I can handle a bit of dusting not to crazy about squealing though. The mix of street to AutoX is maybe 70/30 respectively. Of COurse I want as much stopping power as possible without replace rotors every 6 months
Thanks
PFC Z rated
Hawk HP+
CarbonTech Bobcat
CarbonTech Panther
From what I see the Pather's are too agressive a pad and maybe a better track pad. So I'm curious about people opinions on the other three. I still will drive the car on the street but not a lot, I can handle a bit of dusting not to crazy about squealing though. The mix of street to AutoX is maybe 70/30 respectively. Of COurse I want as much stopping power as possible without replace rotors every 6 months
Thanks
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HP+
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PFC-Z rated
These, or a combination of these, are what's most commonly used in national autox cars depending on what the car is doing and what you want it to do. Your set up may require the braking bias to be tweeked, and in stock you can't play with the bias except by pad selection.
Most of the other pads won't have the cold bite required in autox. FWIW
Good luck.
Stock
PFC-Z rated
These, or a combination of these, are what's most commonly used in national autox cars depending on what the car is doing and what you want it to do. Your set up may require the braking bias to be tweeked, and in stock you can't play with the bias except by pad selection.
Most of the other pads won't have the cold bite required in autox. FWIW
Good luck.
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Le Mans Master
I've been running the PFC Z-rated pads for the past couple of years, but they're getting harder to get hold of (a couple of forum vendors are the only sources remaining that I know of). I've got a set of Hawk HP+ pads on the shelf at home, but have to run through my last set of Z-rated pads first.
HTH, and have a good one,
Mike
HTH, and have a good one,
Mike
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I'm using the Hawk HP+.
Positive: good initial bite when warm. I take a few hard stabs at them when pulling up to the start line, and this is enough to warm them up. (Make sure nobody is imediately behind you.) Dust is pretty manageable. Not hard on rotors especially. Not bad for a track day from time to time.
Negative: noisy on the street, except after hard use in an event of some kind, which seems to quiet them down. Also, not a true track pad; you can do better if HPDEs are on your agenda.
All in all, I'd do it again.
Positive: good initial bite when warm. I take a few hard stabs at them when pulling up to the start line, and this is enough to warm them up. (Make sure nobody is imediately behind you.) Dust is pretty manageable. Not hard on rotors especially. Not bad for a track day from time to time.
Negative: noisy on the street, except after hard use in an event of some kind, which seems to quiet them down. Also, not a true track pad; you can do better if HPDEs are on your agenda.
All in all, I'd do it again.
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Good information here. I especially like the comment about tinkering with the "brake bias" with pad combination. I was just talking about the brake bias this weekend with my co-driver/wife. I'm not sure how to determine how much braking I'm getting front to rear other that the butt-o-meter.
Anyone have ideas on tuning the braking?
Anyone have ideas on tuning the braking?
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Drifting
http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/226679.aspx
Check out evopat's reply.
BTW, I've just had the OE pads on my car (actually, the exact pads the car came on) and I'm happy with them.
Check out evopat's reply.
BTW, I've just had the OE pads on my car (actually, the exact pads the car came on) and I'm happy with them.
#11
Melting Slicks
I ran HP+ on my C4 for 3yrs doing AX with it. Then I got the Z06 and did 1yr of AX with the stock pads. To me the Z06 pads feel just like the HP+ pads. I would stick with the Z06 pads.
Carbotech replaced the Panther with the AX6. That is their dedicated AX pad. Very streetable I'm sure. Dusting not so sure. I would not use the Panther for track use unless it was your first couple of events. I ran my first 3 track events with Z06 pads then changed to Carbotech XP8. Now I'm using XP10/XP8 and will move on to XP12/XP10.
You can get Z06 pads pretty cheap via Gene Culley at GM Parts House. www.gmpartshouse.com.
Carbotech replaced the Panther with the AX6. That is their dedicated AX pad. Very streetable I'm sure. Dusting not so sure. I would not use the Panther for track use unless it was your first couple of events. I ran my first 3 track events with Z06 pads then changed to Carbotech XP8. Now I'm using XP10/XP8 and will move on to XP12/XP10.
You can get Z06 pads pretty cheap via Gene Culley at GM Parts House. www.gmpartshouse.com.
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I've got an old set of Carbotech Super Street F pads from several years ago. They also were know as the Carbotech Browns. Excellent auto-x/street pad. Do a Google on them. They are brand new but I don't auto-x anymore and now have the Wilwood kit.
$80 + shipping if you are interested.
George
$80 + shipping if you are interested.
George
#13
I used a large variety on the CS then CSP Miata and ended up with Cobalt SMR pads. On the Z06 I tried the OEM and now Hawk HPS. I prefer the HPS so far without the penalty of HP+ noises.