Autocrossing & Roadracing Suspension Setup for Track Corvettes, Camber/Caster Adjustments, R-Compound Tires, Race Slicks, Tips on Driving Technique, Events, Results
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

Differences between Wilwood Superlite 6s and LGs GStop?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-30-2008, 10:35 AM
  #1  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default Differences between Wilwood Superlite 6s and LGs GStop?

What are the differences between the 2 besides the GStop uses stock rotors and Superlite 6s uses Wilwood rotors?

Thanks!

Adam
Old 01-30-2008, 10:44 AM
  #2  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Pad thickness which gives you a longer lasing pad and better insulating pad. Then you can add some heat shields as the pads wears down. As you said you can run NAPA's or Stoptech 2 piece. Wilwood kit is 14" rotors in front.
Old 01-30-2008, 10:45 AM
  #3  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

With the LG kit? I can get both kits for roughly the same amount, infact I can get the Superlite 6 kit cheaper than the GStop kit and it comes with rotors...

What would you all do?

Adam
Old 01-30-2008, 10:47 AM
  #4  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Adam Boca
With the LG kit? I can get both kits for roughly the same amount, infact I can get the Superlite 6 kit cheaper than the GStop kit and it comes with rotors...

What would you all do?

Adam
You are getting what type of rotors? You may need a wheel spacer with the LG calipers as they are thicker.
Old 01-30-2008, 10:51 AM
  #5  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

2 piece 13inch...with either the slotted or the GT solid 2 piece rotors...The solid rotors would cost me around $200 less than the GStop kit...

Adam
Old 01-30-2008, 10:52 AM
  #6  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

show me the link to that? Two piece rotors are 300-400

Last edited by John Shiels; 01-30-2008 at 10:55 AM.
Old 01-30-2008, 10:55 AM
  #7  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

Here is a link to a guy with the same kit I am looking at...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...wood+superlite
Old 01-30-2008, 10:59 AM
  #8  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Adam Boca
Here is a link to a guy with the same kit I am looking at...

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...wood+superlite
no price shown
Old 01-30-2008, 11:03 AM
  #9  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

http://www.tbyrnemotorsports.com/c5/c5brakes.html

Price shows $1799, but they are running a special right now...I do not want to publish a price...I will PM you..

Adam
Old 01-30-2008, 11:12 AM
  #10  
0Louis @ LG Motorsports
Former Vendor
 
Louis @ LG Motorsports's Avatar
 
Member Since: May 2003
Location: Dallas Texas
Posts: 2,173
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post

Default

You can use a replacement napa rotor for 25$/side, and the pads are twice as thick The wilwood rotors are a nice piece, but when you crack an expensive 2 piece rotor, it gets costly.

If you want bling, get some 2 piece rotors, but its not the initial cost that gets you, its the cost of consumables that will wear you thin with the wilwood setup, vs our setup

So be aware that initial pricing might even be cheaper, you still have to replace pads and rotors.

Larry Hayes says hello

Last edited by Louis @ LG Motorsports; 01-30-2008 at 11:16 AM.
Old 01-30-2008, 11:14 AM
  #11  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

PM'd you Louis...

Will I have to use a spacer?

Adam
Old 01-30-2008, 11:17 AM
  #12  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

Tell Larry I said Hello!

Adam Boca
Old 01-30-2008, 11:32 AM
  #13  
SouthernSon
Race Director
Support Corvetteforum!
 
SouthernSon's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 2000
Location: Deal's Gap 2004 NCM Motorsports track supporter
Posts: 13,915
Received 1,103 Likes on 717 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Adam Boca
What are the differences between the 2 besides the GStop uses stock rotors and Superlite 6s uses Wilwood rotors?

Thanks!

Adam
Adam, I didn't know you used brakes??!!

You probably need bigger wheels and stickier tires!!

I do think that NAPA has now gone to around 35 to 40 dollars on their rotors. But, you won't have to shim out the brackets and other little aggravations if you use the OEM floating calipers.

Let me know what your research reveals. I am still OEM with Hawk pads.
Old 01-30-2008, 11:41 AM
  #14  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

Originally Posted by southern_son
Adam, I didn't know you used brakes??!!

You probably need bigger wheels and stickier tires!!

I do think that NAPA has now gone to around 35 to 40 dollars on their rotors. But, you won't have to shim out the brackets and other little aggravations if you use the OEM floating calipers.

Let me know what your research reveals. I am still OEM with Hawk pads.
LOL! I do need bigger wheels! My tires are pretty darn sticky though!

You are right, NAPA prices have gone up, but as Louis mentions replacement cost of those vs. the replacement rings for the 2 piece are a huge difference...

I am thinking the GStop kit is what I will go with....$35 rotors are quite appealing..

Adam
Old 01-30-2008, 11:41 AM
  #15  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by southern_son
Adam, I didn't know you used brakes??!!

You probably need bigger wheels and stickier tires!!

I do think that NAPA has now gone to around 35 to 40 dollars on their rotors. But, you won't have to shim out the brackets and other little aggravations if you use the OEM floating calipers.

Let me know what your research reveals. I am still OEM with Hawk pads.
but your pads are more expensive and last half as long This mod pays for itself.
Old 01-30-2008, 11:47 AM
  #16  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Adam Boca
LOL! I do need bigger wheels! My tires are pretty darn sticky though!

You are right, NAPA prices have gone up, but as Louis mentions replacement cost of those vs. the replacement rings for the 2 piece are a huge difference...

I am thinking the GStop kit is what I will go with....$35 rotors are quite appealing..

Adam
then you can always move to Stoptech Direct replacement rotor later if you want like I did. Then if your short for a rotor ring you pop them off and drop a NAPA on. Stoptech rotors will last longer than NAPA.
Old 01-30-2008, 11:48 AM
  #17  
Adam Boca
Race Director
Thread Starter
 
Adam Boca's Avatar
 
Member Since: Oct 1999
Location: www.ncminsurance.com Bowling Green KY Home of the Corvette!
Posts: 14,109
Received 126 Likes on 66 Posts
CI 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 Vet
St. Jude Donor '07-'08
NCM Sinkhole Donor

Default

Have you run into any problems with this kit?

Adam

Get notified of new replies

To Differences between Wilwood Superlite 6s and LGs GStop?

Old 01-30-2008, 12:02 PM
  #18  
spazegun2213
Burning Brakes
 
spazegun2213's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,085
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by John Shiels
then you can always move to Stoptech Direct replacement rotor later if you want like I did. Then if your short for a rotor ring you pop them off and drop a NAPA on. Stoptech rotors will last longer than NAPA.

I'm sure the ST's last longer, but how much longer will they last? whats the cost benefit between ~$30 rotors and ~$300 rotors?

Also, IIRC you need 18" wheels up front to run a 14" brake rotor.. but I'm not an expert.
Old 01-30-2008, 12:05 PM
  #19  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Best money ever spent. I was one of the guys saying to myself I am stopping with stock calipers and race pads who needs LG calipers. Well I was stopping in the beginning but by the end of 20 minutes I had long pedal and some fade. Being slightly aggressive and having rotors glow in the daylight photos I needed a better feel for confidence. Stock calipers with race pads were 500 miles or less and after 250 miles they were tapered and felt like crap.

I got 1000 track only miles on the LG calipers and Wilwood H. I would have really went 1500 if the wheel-bearing wasn't toasted and then gave me taper. You may get even longer as I am pretty rough on my car. 3-4 HPDE days and my Hoosiers are gone.

I rebuilt them after much hard use and the seals were still decent. Swapping pads is a jiff and going race to stock pad is one small bolt away so pop the wheel and 3-4 minutes your done. I liked them so much I did the rears with the SL4 from LGM and front rotor on the back. They will last a long time in back. I have no E-brake.

Going 165 toward a wall at Pocono I need not have second thoughts.

For the price they can't be beat. You need LGM/DRM brake ducts also no matter what you run if it's run hard. SRF fluid is the cheapest per mile by far.


Going 1500 miles on a set of cheaper pads Wilwood H or J compound #7420 shape vs. 3 sets of stock race pads for a good buck more per set is a huge savings. Do the math after prices the pads.

Last edited by John Shiels; 01-30-2008 at 12:14 PM.
Old 01-30-2008, 12:12 PM
  #20  
John Shiels
Team Owner
 
John Shiels's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Buy USA products! Check the label! Employ Americans
Posts: 50,808
Received 8 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by spazegun2213
I'm sure the ST's last longer, but how much longer will they last? whats the cost benefit between ~$30 rotors and ~$300 rotors?

Also, IIRC you need 18" wheels up front to run a 14" brake rotor.. but I'm not an expert.
rotor ring is 200+ so now with rotors from NAPA at 35 40 you need 4 or 5 times the life to break even. I doubt it would be an even dollar swap but I don't need a now all CHINESE NAPA exploding. They also do feel better with the slots. I am running 13" rotors, 14's do need 18" wheels as you said. I didn't run last year for a ton of reasons but I have 600 track miles on the 13" Stoptech and if they were NAPA's they would be junk by now with a major crack or two. Don't know how long they will last but if it is twice as long I'll be real happy. They show some small crazing at this point.


Quick Reply: Differences between Wilwood Superlite 6s and LGs GStop?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:04 AM.