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Old 06-18-2008, 07:25 AM
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Thinking about supplementing my driving addiction with some karting for my 6 & 9 year olds and myself. Apparently there is a track at Lowes Motor Speedway near charlotte where I live that hosts multiple open practice days throughout the year.

Anyone know much about karting or have suggestions on what/where to buy karts (new or used)? If the kids like it I can see them getting into racing a little bit. Aside from the initial cost of the carts and related saftey equipment etc., the ongoing expenses seem pretty modest.

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I had a cart as a kid and did all my own work on it and learned a ton
about small engines, clutches etc... had a ball.

It was not real fast by todays standards but we did not know the diffrence it seemed fast to us.. so my only thought is dont let the kids talk you into the fastest carts.... u know how kids are.... they will still have a great time..
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Have no suggestions but they run a karting program at Sebring and every time i'm driving in and out of the paddock i stop and watch a little bit. It looks like a ton of fun. You can probably find some karting schools locally where you can take your kids out to see if they enjoy it before going full bore and buying a few karts. For some reason I think the pricing was $350 per day which included all equipment.
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I race Karts regularly in a local series and a regional series. They are a great way to get lots of driving/racing experience.

For you (adult) the best class... and by best i mean the least maintanance and lower cost... is the TAG (Touch And Go) class. The engines are 125cc 2 strokes, that have a built in starter. The lower speeds (relative to shifters) means the chassis last a little longer, the tires last a lot longer and the package itself requires less maintanance. Their are lots of frame/engine combos so find the local kart shop and see what they support.
I can't give much advice on the kids karts so just ask the shop.

Racing/wheel to wheel in the Kart is far cheaper than running my vette in HPDE/track days, and i find i track the vette less and less.

Most importantly, get a really good rib-cage protector w/lots of padding and spend the extra money on at least a quarter padded seat.


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I've owned karts for about 18 years, been on the BoD's of clubs, with a couple of other volunteers, built the kart track in Reno,etc.

I haven't been involved in a while ( cause of racecars) but what I remember:


6 years old is the youngest they can start, running "baby karts". They're call that because they are smaller, shorter wheelbase and have a 50cc motor.
At 9 or 10 they can move into a full size kart with a Briggs & Stratton or a Yamaha.

Not much maintainance outside of prerace prep. Tires probably would last all season. (tires on my kart last one race).

WKA, World Karting Asso., was the organization in your area when I was into kart racing. They had an office at the speedway, probably still do.
Google "kart clubs" in your area for used stuff for sale. Also, try to hit a local club race.

If you're buying used, most brands will handle OK, especially for a new,young driver. Find a local shop that stocks parts. Some foreign kart parts can be a little hard to get.
Some of the foreign frames tend to crack after hard useage.
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Thanks everyone for the input. Still in the discovery phase. Going to head out to the track a week from Sat when they do a practice day. Will see how things look.
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Originally Posted by aggie_corvette
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For you (adult) the best class... and by best i mean the least maintanance and lower cost... is the TAG (Touch And Go) class. The engines are 125cc 2 strokes, that have a built in starter. ......

Most importantly, get a really good rib-cage protector w/lots of padding and spend the extra money on at least a quarter padded seat.


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I going to suggest something a little different. Start out with the 5 hp stock briggs class. This way you'll learn to drive the fast way around the track in an underpowered ( compared to the two strokes) frame that can take the two stroke motor after a year or two.

That's how I learned to race karts ( starting at age 28 ). My very first race in a 100 yamaha I won . There was 15 other karts.

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Me, WebZ and Z06_505 do it in the winter,

It is a blast
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Originally Posted by JRD77VET
I going to suggest something a little different. Start out with the 5 hp stock briggs class. This way you'll learn to drive the fast way around the track in an underpowered ( compared to the two strokes) frame that can take the two stroke motor after a year or two.

That's how I learned to race karts ( starting at age 28 ). My very first race in a 100 yamaha I won . There was 15 other karts.

Jeff
Not that I plan to jump to shifters and race out of the block or anything but do you think you need to start from scratch if you've got significant HPDE experience (like instructor level)? Actually, my plan right now is not to race but who knows if I'm enjoying it. It's more for the kids to develop some skills.
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TaG stuff is nice, its got close to shifter power, but you can do everything yourself. No need to have someone push start you, and you can focus on driving. However, shifters are incredible. Absolutely the most fun/$ you can have. I run Stock Moto here in Dallas, and its really a lot of fun. The $/mile maintenance on a stocker (Honda CR125) is pretty low. parts are cheap, you can rebuild it yourself, no need for a seal (Tag) etc.

There are a few major brands of chassis manufacturers, Birel, Intrepid, topkart, Margay, CRG, Tonykart, Italkart to name a few. What ever you choose make sure you can get parts locally. I ran a shifter tony for 6 months, and getting parts for it was a pain. The locals carried Intrepid stuff, and thats what I run now because I can get stuff the next day, if its not in town.

Dont forget the ancillaries like a suit, rib protector, helmet, etc.

The Kid kart class that runs with our club runs Comer 80s fwiw.

A great place to check out online is Ekartingnews.com They have an excellent classifieds and plenty of knowledgeable members.

I still say run a shifter
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Humm, I have 2 very cracked TonyKart frames laying beside the shop and one that's still together.
If I had to purchase a new one it would be a TrackMagic.
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I have to agree with Louis- I'd buy a shifter. If you're over ~35 get an 80cc, if under 35 go for the 125cc.

125cc shifters beat you up....but they are too much fun!!!

I had a 125cc Honda/TopKart Shifter -which I loved dearly . I'd buy a TrackMagic today (80cc of course).
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Originally Posted by WNeal
Me, WebZ and Z06_505 do it in the winter,

It is a blast
Not to hijack but....

Bill - G&J have expanded their track to ~7/8 mile asphalt. Just north of us in Camden. Here's a link-> http://www.gandjkartway.com/
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Ive run rotax since its inception and I think that TAG is where its at. Moto shifters are fun, but its more of a novelty at this point as far as club racing goes. If you are doing national level stuff, then you see some good turnouts for shifters, but the cost and maintenance is just too high for most club level racers to keep interest. That's why the TAG series has really taken off. These motors can run for over 20 hours at a time without going into them and within those 20 hours, the only real maintenance may be with tuning the carburetor and clutch work which is all stuff you can do yourself. Couple that with the fact that you can take a TAG kart anywhere in the country where you have a class to run in, and it makes it even better. TAG is much easier on the tires and relatively speaking, its a fast class. It still isnt as fast as the shifters, but that's understandable.
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If you go non gearbox, go tag. If you go gearbox go Stock moto. 35 hours on a CR125 before a rebuild is not abnormal. A few guys are working 50 hours on their setups before they were torn down. Its pretty neat, they build them like a brick out house and if you keep fuel in them and not on the jagged edge, its almost difficult melting a piston. Pistons are 20$, and heads are 90. Jugs are 250. Ebay all of that and pay 1/2 price.


THe CR80s are really starting to take a step back as of late, especially down south. The 125 motos are so reliable over the 80s, its not worth it. The 80s need a billet 3rd gear or you will break one, and they really need work to make power.

I still say shifter, but Im biased Crossed flags77 on here, Ryan, Runs a tag at the same track I do. We both have a good time.

Louis
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Perfect timing for this thread as I just started researching this as well.

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Here's a list of the classes in the Eastern Region:

KidKart
WKA# 214.16
Age: 5-7
Min. Weight: 140 lb
Gears: 10/89
Tires: Open compound, all 4.5-4.6/10-5
Motor: Comer 50cc (new and old style)
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008, Section 900)
Class is competitive (rolling start) and receiving points as other classes.

Cadet Jr Sportsman
WKA# 214.1
Age: 8-12
Min. Weight: 235 lb
Gears: Open
Tires: Open compound, all 4.5-4.6/10-5
Motor: Comer K80
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008)

Yamaha Jr Sportsman
WKA# 214.2
Age: 8-12
Min. Weight: 250 lb
Gears: Open
Tires: Open compound, all 4.5-4.6/10-5
Motor: Yamaha KT100 (small carb)
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008)

Yamaha Jr Super Can
WKA# 214.4
Age: 12-15
Min. Weight: 305 lb
Gears: Open
Tires: Open
Motor: Yamaha KT100 (large carb)
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008)

Yamaha Sr Heavy
WKA# 214.9
Age: 15+
Min. Weight: 350 lb
Tires: Open
Motor: Yamaha KT100
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008)

TaG & TaG Heavy
WKA# 214.17
Age: 15+ (must be 15 y.o. during current year)
Min. Weights:
BM Jaguar – 350 lbs
Cheetah SQ 125 – 350 lbs
Comer K365 – 385 lbs
Easykart – 350 lbs
Motori Seven – 365 lbs
Parilla Leopard – 365 lbs
Rotax – 350 lbs
Sonik TX 125 (125cc) – 380 lbs
Sonik VX 125 (118 cc) – 365 lbs
Vortex Rok (’03 & ’04) 350 lbs
Vortex Rok TT – 380
PRD Fire Ball (2005 & 2008) 350 lbs.
Tires: Open tire
TaG Heavy: Add 40 Lbs to each engine weight

Shifters 125cc
WKA# 362.7
Age: 16+
Min. Weight: 385 lb
Motor: Any Shifter 125cc
Tires: Open
Engine Rules: SKUSA 2008

Briggs Jr Sportsman 1
WKA# 263.2
Age: 8-10
Min. Weight: 250 lb
Fuel: Methanol
Tires: Open
Motor: Briggs & Stratton Flathead 5 hp purple plate restrictor
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008)

Briggs Jr Sportsman 2
WKA# 263.3
Age: 10-12
Min. Weight: 275 lb
Fuel: Methanol
Tires: Open
Motor: Briggs & Stratton Flathead 5 hp turquoise/blue plate restrictor
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2008)

Briggs Flathead
Jr
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WKA# 264.7
Age: 12-15
Min. Weight: 300 lbs
Fuel: Methanol
Tires: Open
Motor: Briggs & Stratton Flathead 5 hp gold plate restrictor
Technical Regulations per WKA Rules (2006)

Briggs Animal Lite
Medium & Heavy

WKA# 263.7
Age: 15+
Fuel: Methanol
Tires: Open
Min. Weight: Lite = 325 lbs, Medium = 350 lbs, Heavy = 375
Tires: Open compound, must use WKA size tires and wheels.

Stock Gas Clone Junior
Age: 12 to 15
Fuel: Pump gas only
Tires: Open
Weights: 300 lbs
Clutch: Drum style only
Motor: 200CC copy of Honda GX200
Carburetor main jet may be changed
Header optional
Stock air filter

Stock Gas Clone
Age: 15 up
Fuel: Pump gas only
Tires: Open
Weights: Medium - 350 lbs, Heavy - 400 lbs
Clutch: Drum style only
Motor: 200CC copy of Honda GX200
Carburetor main jet may be changed
Header optional
Stock air filter

Rotax Senior
Age: 15+
Min. Weight: 365 lb
Tires: Mojo D2, 4.5/10-5 Front, 7.1/11-5 Rear
Rain Tires: Bridgestone YJP 4.5/10-5 Front, 6.0/11-5 Rear
Motor: Rotax FR125 Sr Sealed
Spec Fuel: VP MS93
Spec Oil: Motul 800 2t
Technical Regulations per Rotax Kart Challenge Rules (2008) - 6MB pdf

Rotax Masters
Age: 32+ or 190+ lb
Min. Weight: 405 lb
Tires: Mojo D2, 4.5/10-5 Front, 7.1/11-5 Rear
Rain Tires: Bridgestone YJP 4.5/10-5 Front, 6.0/11-5 Rear
Motor: Rotax FR125 Sr Sealed
Spec Fuel: VP MS93
Spec Oil: Motul 800 2t
Technical Regulations per Rotax Kart Challenge Rules (2008) - 6MB pdf

Rotax Junior
Age: 13-16
Min. Weight: 320 lb
Tires: Mojo D2, 4.5/10-5 Front, 7.1/11-5 Rear
Rain Tires: Bridgestone YJP 4.5/10-5 Front, 6.0/11-5 Rear
Motor: Rotax FR125 Jr Sealed
Spec gear: open
Spec Fuel: VP MS93
Spec Oil: Motul 800 2t
Technical Regulations per Rotax Kart Challenge Rules (2008) - 6MB pdf

Rotax MiniMax
Age: 9-12 (must be 9 y.o. during current year)
Min. Weight: 265 lb
Tires: Mojo D2, 4.5/10-5 Front/Rear
Rain Tires: Bridgestone YJP 4.5/10-5 Front/Rear
Motor: Rotax FR125 Jr Sealed, Minimax Exhaust and Carb Restrictor
Spec gear: 13/82 or 12/76
Spec Fuel: VP MS93
Spec Oil: Motul 800 2t
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per Rotax Kart Challenge Rules (2008) - 6MB pdf

Rotax MicroMax
Age: 7-10
Min. Weight: 235 lb
Tires: Mojo D2, 4.5/10-5 Front/Rear
Rain Tires: Bridgestone YJP 4.5/10-5 Front/Rear
Motor: Rotax FR125 Jr Sealed, MicroMax package applied
Spec gear: 14/73
Spec Fuel: VP MS93
Spec Oil: Motul 800 2t
Chest Protector Mandatory
Technical Regulations per Rotax Kart Challenge Rules (2008) - 6MB pdf

Vintage Karts
Refer to VKA rule book

Unlimited
Loosely based on WKA# 312.2
Age: 16+
Whatever doesn't fit anywhere else
Examples:
One 250cc gearbox single cylinder, 460 lbs, 39mm carb, gas and oil.
One 450cc gearbox single cylinder 4-cycle, 460 lbs., 42mm carb, gasoline.
One 125cc gearbox single cylinder, 420 lbs., any carb, gas and oil.
One 250cc single cylinder non-gearbox, 460 lbs., any carb, open fuel.
One 150cc single cylinder 380 lbs., any carb(s), open fuel.
One 135cc single cylinder 350 lbs., any carb(s), open fuel.
Two 135cc single cylinder 490 lbs., any carb(s), open fuel.
Two 100cc single cylinder 465 lbs., any carb(s), open fuel.
Two 135cc single cylinder fan cooled (West Bend 820 and Mac 101), 420 lbs., any carb(s), open fuel.
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some fast times this year
daytona 1:59
cmp 1:39
summit point 1:13
mid ohio 1:26


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wow, some good feedback here. It doesn't surprise me there's this much interest. It does surprise me there aren't more karting places/stores. I'm in Charlotte NC (supposedly hotbed of motorsports activity) and it seems like there's nothing local. Would love to have a place to go look at the stuff, sit in one etc. but doesn't exist. Anyone want to start a business?


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