Nastycar @ Brickyard
07-27-2008, 09:38 PM
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Burning Brakes
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Nastycar @ Brickyard
Did anybody watch that race today? I thought it was a joke how they threw the yellow every 10 laps or so. Let the guys race. The teams know that they have to change tires every 10-12 laps so instead of fuel being the driving factor on when to make pitstops, let the tires dictate it.
Also, I know indy is hard on tires, but it seems like Goodyear really dropped the ball on this compound and are the ones to ultimately blame for this. I dont know how nastycar dictates the tire compounds, if they have any hand in deciding it at all, but it seems like Goodyear should be able to show up with a tire that can withstand more then 10 laps.
Also, I know indy is hard on tires, but it seems like Goodyear really dropped the ball on this compound and are the ones to ultimately blame for this. I dont know how nastycar dictates the tire compounds, if they have any hand in deciding it at all, but it seems like Goodyear should be able to show up with a tire that can withstand more then 10 laps.
07-27-2008, 09:46 PM
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Safety Car
The Brickyard has always been hard on tires (ask Michellin) but it isn't like Goodyear hasn't been there before. Racers being racers, somebody would try to get an extra lap out of their tires, then everybody do it, then nobody would finish. As bad as it was, if they let the teams make the call, it could have been a whole lot worse. /:\
07-27-2008, 10:03 PM
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Car of Tomorrow my A$$...
From this article:
Next they'll be throwing yellows because the windshields are too dirty or maybe for bathroom breaks.
From this article:
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The tire issue cropped up early Saturday, when drivers learned during the first practice they could only last anywhere from three to 10 laps before the rubber wore down to the cords. NASCAR and Goodyear hoped the conditions would improve — as it has in years past — once enough rubber was laid down on the track.
But the first-time use of the Car of Tomorrow prevented any improvement because of the lack of downforce on the car, combined with its higher center of gravity, created conditions that made it very hard on the right side tires. No matter how much rubber was laid on Indy's notoriously abrasive surface, the tires still weren't strong enough to last more than about 10 laps.
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There were 11 total yellow flags, and NASCAR had to throw six competition cautions to force teams to pit and change their tires.
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The tire issue cropped up early Saturday, when drivers learned during the first practice they could only last anywhere from three to 10 laps before the rubber wore down to the cords. NASCAR and Goodyear hoped the conditions would improve — as it has in years past — once enough rubber was laid down on the track.
But the first-time use of the Car of Tomorrow prevented any improvement because of the lack of downforce on the car, combined with its higher center of gravity, created conditions that made it very hard on the right side tires. No matter how much rubber was laid on Indy's notoriously abrasive surface, the tires still weren't strong enough to last more than about 10 laps.
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There were 11 total yellow flags, and NASCAR had to throw six competition cautions to force teams to pit and change their tires.
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07-28-2008, 01:12 AM
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I watched it for a while because it was either that or bball. It was pretty hilarious for me though as they tried to play it off on tv. It was just basically like 10 heat races run without shutting the cars off.
07-28-2008, 06:34 AM
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Melting Slicks
I'm not a big fan of Tony Stewart (Actually think he's bad for the sport) but agree 110% with his assessment of GY tires in competition... "They're junk" as he put it in a couple of interviews. NASCAR should allow another brand to come in for some testing to see how they would hold up... Oh but wait, that would mean breaking "tradition"... 
Mike
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07-28-2008, 06:57 AM
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Melting Slicks
I know Sunoco gives them the fuel for free.
so I'm guessing G Y gives them the tires for free.
I personally never liked G Y. I had 3 fail on my truck. The older gatorbacks were outright dangerous in the rain. Their trailer tires also have a bad rap. I just don't understand how they are OEM on so many cars.
so I'm guessing G Y gives them the tires for free.
I personally never liked G Y. I had 3 fail on my truck. The older gatorbacks were outright dangerous in the rain. Their trailer tires also have a bad rap. I just don't understand how they are OEM on so many cars.
07-28-2008, 07:06 AM
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I know Sunoco gives them the fuel for free.
so I'm guessing G Y gives them the tires for free.
I personally never liked G Y. I had 3 fail on my truck. The older gatorbacks were outright dangerous in the rain. Their trailer tires also have a bad rap. I just don't understand how they are OEM on so many cars.
so I'm guessing G Y gives them the tires for free.
I personally never liked G Y. I had 3 fail on my truck. The older gatorbacks were outright dangerous in the rain. Their trailer tires also have a bad rap. I just don't understand how they are OEM on so many cars.
07-28-2008, 07:44 AM
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Unless I nodded through it did they show the track surface that is grooved and where is it grooved? It's a heavy car on a tiny tire what do they expect.
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07-28-2008, 08:39 AM
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I am glad I was at VIR and was "forced" to miss this debacle! NASCAR 
They tried that with Hoosier a few years back. Tire war got ugly but it is a valid point. Competition breeds excellence...
Bob
Originally Posted by Mikelly
NASCAR should allow another brand to come in for some testing to see how they would hold up... Oh but wait, that would mean breaking "tradition"...
Bob
Last edited by Kanmer; 07-28-2008 at 10:24 AM.
07-28-2008, 10:06 AM
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Le Mans Master
IMO, one of the main reasons they kept having problems was the assumption that NASCAR/GY had that the track would lay down rubber on the racing line. Seemed like that didn't happen this time for some reason (tire compound?).
It was a mess, though not as bad as the 1992 Indy 500 race that was so cold everyone kept hitting the turn 4 exit wall. Jeff Andretti's career ended that day due to massive foot injuries.
Have a good one,
Mike
Have a good one,
Mike
07-28-2008, 11:01 AM
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Melting Slicks
The COT is much harder on right side tires than the old car. They don't allow them to redistribute weight like they used to so it wears out the right side tires more quickly.
At least Chevrolet kicked the a$$ of Toyota yesterday.
At least Chevrolet kicked the a$$ of Toyota yesterday.
