hpfiend

Hey all-

This should be an easy question- planning on bleeding/flushing the brakes before the autox season starts-

How much Ford Super Duty fluid should I buy ahead of time?

I have never bled them and I would doubt if the original owner did either as it only has 12K miles on an 03 when I got it last August.

I am going to use the mity-vac method which says a quart but I don't think this will be enough especially as I plan to put the same stuff in the clutch- If I end up participating as I plan this year I am going to get those speedbleeders but I dont have time before the first race.

Thanks,
Andrew

waddisme

Mine takes less than a quart, but I rotate the ATE blue and amber so I know pretty quickly when it is flushed. Post on how the Mityvac does. I would be curious to know. Have fun at the track - it will be the best time you have ever had legally in your car.

AverageVetteNut

Moron Edit:
For some reason I saw "Clutch" instead of "BRAKE" fluid

rasrboy

I use a Turkey bastor and suck all the old out and clean resevoir real good, then fill with new fluid. Then I pump the clutch about 20 times and cycle some of the new thru the line and more of the old comes back to the surface. Use bastor again & repeat this step twice and and fill.

I have an 03 Z06 SCCA T1 car and it has worked well for me the past 3 years. I run the Wilwood fluid from Summit and knock on wood it's been great.

That's my .02

Aaron

MungoZ06

Agree with *me, a quart should be enough for the brakes; good to have another pint to iteratively refresh the clutch resevoir, per posts by *nut and *boy above.

I just did pads, rotors, and fluid for a guy in two sessions recently.
Did a full bleed when replacing the front rotors, about 10 pumps per wheel.
While waiting for rears to come in he bedded the front pads and exercised the ABS - moving old fluid out of the resevoir.
Then we did the rear rotors and pads and another full bleed ... total fluid - about 3/4 qt.
without speedbleeders you'll need an assistant to pump while you manage the bleed tube and bleeder open/close.

2K3Z06

Might want to use the Tech 2 tool. To open the valves on the ABS module, this will flush out the ABS, and give you clean fluid throught the system.

Bill Dearborn

The Ford fluid comes in 12oz cans and usually costs me about $4.50 a can. I buy 6 or 8 cans at a time to get me through the track season. First bleed of the year I will usually go through 3 cans to make sure I get all of the fluid flushed. Better to waste some and get all of the old fluid out. When I start the bleed I suck all of the fluid out of the master cylinder reservoir and refill with new fluid. Since you are autocrossing and not doing any HPDEs one bleed/flush at the beginning of the season should be sufficient.

Bill

mousecatcher

no, you missed the part where he said he is using a mityvac.

MungoZ06

Shows what I know! :o thanks!

rasrboy

Yep me too! Anyway, thats how I do the clutch.

hpfiend

Thanks guys- I couldn't find the Ford SD anywhere as the local dealers haven't heard of it so I am going to go with the Wilwood EXT6000 from JEGS locally - more expensive but they at least know what I am talking about.

I did mean the clutch and brakes so no confusion has been caused - I plan to use the same stuff in both- I already did the clutch with prestone dot 3 (via the turkey baster method- which I now have aquired a big animal vetrinarian syringe) and its black again in less than 2000 miles so I figure while I had the can open and fresh I would use the rest to do the clutch again at the same time.

So quart and a pint or two bottles of wilwood. I will post up in this thread how the mity-vac does-

Laters,
Andrew

Rob Willis

Better get that brake-bleeding process down pat, you'll need to be a pro at it once I start talking you into heading to Mid-Ohio with me for some HPDEs!



Hope all is well in Columbus Andrew.

c4cruiser

A Ford dealer doesn't have the Ford Motorsports HD fluid?? The local dealer in town always has two cases in stock. And it's not a big dealership.

I use ATE Super Blue and the gold-colored TYP200 and that rune me about $12.50 per liter and it comes in metal cans.

froggy47

It's the regular Ford brake fluid that all Ford dealers have.

hpfiend

Haha- hey rob good to hear from you- I need to get autoxing down before I go anywhere near a road course! Do you take yours often?

All Ford brake fluid is the SD/HD? I thought it was for heavy trucks... hmm... I clearly was not aware of this. Oh I like the idea of different colored fluids- Do you use it in the clutch as well?


here is a cool website I found that helped me and maybe others in the future.

http://members.rennlist.com/911pcars/brakefluid.htm

0Todd TCE

I'd suggest you begin the the more economical 570.

The EXP600 is great for a true race car. Meaning in short time the fluid will be less effective and need to be replaced sooner than most wish to consider doing....the more 'high end' the fluid, the shorter the life span of the product as a general rule.

I know of a number of guys who run brakes extremely hot and do well on the 570 and have seen no need for EXP. Aside from the dry boiling point EXP offers no additional value.

Rob Willis

I use ATE Type200/Blue. Easy to see the change (amber / blue) when you want to do an entire flush. Plus, the stuff is relatively cheap and easy to find.