ssdeuce

I would like some opinions on 6 point harnesses. I am installing Hardbar seat rails with Hardbar harness bar and a Sparco Corsa seat. I also plan on using a Defnder head and neck restraint system. So do I need a harness that is HANS compatible? I think I understand that both anti-sub straps come through the bottom of the seat but how and where do they position across your legs? What brands are preferred and other things to look for before buying? Any pics would be great. Thanks, Nathan

AU N EGL

This is from the Simpson web site



The sub straps come up in your crotch area and latch in to the cam lock.

a single sub strap will make you join the soprano section choir

davidfarmer

the belts should not need to be "hans specific". I agree that 6-pt is probably safer, but I miss the days of 5-point belts. MUCH easier to latch and more comfortable when your NOT crashing.

brkntrxn

Schroth makes Hans compatible versions of their belts. For instance, the Profi II-6 I have also comes in a HANS version where the shoulder straps are 2" wide instead of 3". This allows the should strap to more correctly ride along the HANS collar as opposed to overlapping it a little bit with the 3" shoulder belt.


-Kevin

wtknght1

That's exactly right. A "proper" shoulder harness belt for use with a HANS is 2" wide, instead of 3. I doubt it would matter much, but those are the facts.

As far as 6-point vs. 5-point...either way, I highly recommend a good "cup!!!" It makes driving much more comfortable!

rustyguns

i guess u didnt see that post of the guy with a six point that got his ***** skinned

rustyguns

rustyguns

AU N EGL

I also wear a cup

a 5 point with ONE sub belt, would have just smashed his *****.

brkntrxn

Or squished them out the sides and pancaked his pecker.

davidfarmer

good to know about the HANS, but I guess that's why I prefer the R3

fatbillybob

Actually, I have been to lectures with the inventor Dr. Melvin himself. HANS is designed with the 3" shoulder in mind not the 2". When specifically asked...Dr. M says the test results of 3" vs. 2" belts are exactly the same. 3" belts are what is required. 2" belts he said "are there to sell more belts" iirc. The real problem with 2" belts is that you can't legally run a 2" belt w/o wearing a hans which can be an issue when car sharing during enduros. The only time when the inventor himself would use a different shoulder belt arrangement is the 4 strap shoulder belt which is tested to work better. However, personally I find the mounting and use of the 4 shoulder system difficult but the most comfortable HANS belt system. It is also a Scroth belt.

ssdeuce

Thanks for the feedback guys. I think I was making the six point harness harder than it is. I called Simpson yesterday and found out that the bolt in harness the hardware can be removed from the shoulder harness and used as a wrap around. Also was worried about being HANS compatible turns out 3" harness works just as well as 2" HANS compatible. It sucks that safety and design doesn't always mean as mush as good marketing.Because I was a little confused about what to buy 2" vs. 3" shoulder harness. I've used Simpson stuff before in my dirt car and never had any issues.

fatbillybob

Yes you got it right. But you should try a hans with the different belt designs. Some people have very boney shoulders. In my experience and talking to people the comfort of hans with the different belts goes 4 shoulder best, 2" next, 3" worst. 90% of people have never even seen a 4 shoulder and I bet you dinner no one near you has one to try. Most people use 2" belts with hans and are very happy and seems to be the best comfort compromise. I use the 4 shoulder and it feels like I'm not wearing the hans at all. Safetywise 2"=3"

0Finspeed

Take a look at this one, very comfortable and the HANS won't be buried in your collar bones upon impact:

http://finspeed.com/8PT-Double-Shoul...NS-04728TW.htm

fatbillybob

Finspeed,

Very cool to see sparco making the 4 shoulder unit. Schroth used to be the only ones. Did sparco also adopt the hybrid cam for the 6pt individual subs? Thanks for posting this about this new sparco harness. It is also cheaper than the schroth unit

preston

I have connected my 6 point sub belts through to the same anchors as the lap belts and fed them through the side holes in the seat. I sit on top of them and then latch them in.

Is this wrong ? Do I really need a new anchor point underneath the seat ? I thought you were supposed to use the lap belt mounting points.

Dreamin

Another question:
Where exactly is the cam lock / buckle supposed to sit? Right below your belly button? Lower?

0Finspeed

Here is a pic of the cam setup:


The sub-belts are attached to the cam by a t-bar, a hybrid cam variation is being tested. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Daniel
http://www.finspeed.com/

fatbillybob

How many holes in your seat? you can't get adequate parachute/ climber rig if the subs are coming in through the lapbelt holes. Under those conditions you would add an anchor to the floor under the seat hole or rig between your slider area an anchor. Remember if you can't put a floor jack and jack your car from that anchor point (I.E. a big washer through the floorpan) then that is not a sufficient anchor point.