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Old 04-07-2010, 09:21 AM
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GM to add brake overrides to new vehicles
Robert Snell and David Shepardson / The Detroit News

Detroit -- GM is joining a growing list of automakers adding brake override systems to new vehicles as Congress and federal regulators mull mandating the safeguard.

The decision, announced Monday, comes as automakers move to adopt the safeguard in light of a recall of 8.5 million Toyota Motor Corp. vehicles worldwide over sudden acceleration concerns. Toyota said it would add brake-shift override systems to all vehicles by next year and on most models by the end of this year.

It is difficult to say whether carmakers would provide a redundant backup system if the Toyota recalls hadn't forced the issue, said auto analyst Erich Merkle of Autoconomy.com in Grand Rapids.

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"I have to believe the Toyota situation is probably helping them along," he said.

GM's global rollout of the brake override system won't be completed until the end of 2012; it will be applied to all vehicles with automatic transmissions and electronic throttle control.

GM's system involves modifying electronic controls to reduce power to the engine when a motorist inadvertently depresses the brake and accelerator.

"We know safety is top of mind for consumers, so we are applying additional technology to reassure them that they can count on the brakes in their GM vehicle," said Tom Stephens, GM's vice chairman of global product operations.

Separately, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration announced Monday it has opened a preliminary investigation into 6.2 million GM vehicles for possible corrosion of vehicle brake lines.

NHTSA's investigation includes 6 million 1999-2003 GM pickups and SUVs and 189,000 of the 2003 2500 heavy-duty pickups. The investigation covers all models built -- not those still on the roads -- so the actual number could be lower than 6.2 million.

NHTSA says it has received 110 complaints, including allegations of three crashes. GM spokesman Alan Adler said the company was cooperating.

NHTSA received a March 2 petition seeking an investigation of 2003 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD pickups. The petition said the brake line corrosion "led to a large increase in stopping distance and with the brake pedal pushed to the floor."

The complaint said the incident happened after six years of service and under normal driving conditions.

Staff Writer Alisa Priddle contributed.

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz0kQ7LfNh6

Guess drag racers are screwed!
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GM's system involves modifying electronic controls to reduce power to the engine when a motorist inadvertently depresses the brake and accelerator.
inadvertently ? what if I do it deliberately ?
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Is that the end of trail braking? Boy this sucks!
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Is that the end of trail braking? Boy this sucks!
Nope, just going to make C5s more desirable track cars
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
Last Updated: April 06. 2010 2:57PM
GM to add brake overrides to new vehicles
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GM's global rollout of the brake override system won't be completed until the end of 2012; it will be applied to all vehicles with automatic transmissions and electronic throttle control.
Luckily, I won't be affected. But it does suck for the automatically inclined.
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it's amazing how this gets reposted every other day.

C6 corvettes already have brake override. it does not interfere with heel/toe as anyone tracking a C6 can attest to.
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Originally Posted by longdaddy
it's amazing how this gets reposted every other day.

C6 corvettes already have brake override. it does not interfere with heel/toe as anyone tracking a C6 can attest to.
So when you hit the brakes in your car the motor loses power?
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yes but not the other way around. this has been in audi cars for years and, according to reports, heel/toe still works just fine as you first go to the brakes, then blip the throttle.
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Brake torque management can be shut off now, and will be then.
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Brake torque management can be shut off now, and will be then.
you know this how? I guess you mean after market tuning? Many will not risk losing the warranty of a new car.
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Originally Posted by DOUG @ ECS
Brake torque management can be shut off now, and will be then.
Maybe! GM could us an ECU that you can't break into. Porsche did it with the PSM and I am pretty sure P-bug people are still unable to break into this system.
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Maybe! GM could us an ECU that you can't break into. Porsche did it with the PSM and I am pretty sure P-bug people are still unable to break into this system.
plenty of options out there for changing p-car tuning including PSM behavior modifications. if you got the $$.
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GM had a Motorsports ECU back in the late 90s.

Now a good programmer can change or delete just about anything as Doug has eluded too
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Originally Posted by John Shiels
you know this how? I guess you mean after market tuning? Many will not risk losing the warranty of a new car.


I know this because I tune for a living, all day, every day..


Those who have the need to remove it, are not concerned about their warranty, just like the constant flow of brand new vehicles we supercharge each year. Not everyone is pinched in the wallet I guess, and they want what they want, and they want to do it in style. Those worried about a warranty usually do not push the car to a place that makes any of this discussion pertinent.

Besides, detecting a tune by GM is a gray area, I'll leave it at that.

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