John Shiels

Vettle destroys Webber's likely triple! Team must be furious!:o:o:o:o Hamilton and Button get tight at the end too!

Zoxxo

Things are not always as they appear. You might want to read these

http://motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=370595&FS=F1

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsp...ory/18930.html

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gkmccready

The German backed the German. Is that shocking? Vettel tried to force the pass, I'm just happy he didn't take Webber out completely.

1991Z07

The onus was on Vettel to pick a safe place to pass. Webber is KNOWN for being difficult to pass, and he was lead car.

The McLaren's pulled the same games, but they gave each other plenty of room. They had some exciting passes, with Lewis winning out in the end. Great racing today!!!

In the end, Vettel and his frustration over breaks on his car so far this season took HIMSELF out of the race, and nearly torpedoed his entire team today.

John Shiels

Still think Vettle is to blame as he was over taking and Webber didn't turn into him.

efranzen

Vettle may have been faster, but he still turned into Webber before the pass was complete.

mousecatcher

agreed. 100% blame to vettel. Webber frequently pulls shenanigans when he is being passed, but this time wasn't one of them.

The Panther

One of the best F1 races I have seen

SIK02SS

You just contradicted yourself. Yes, it is the passERS responsibility to pass safely...with that said, Vettel had a little more than a car length inside Webber to pass, plenty of space to go through; so he took it, like anyone would have done. Being known for "being difficult to pass" is no excuse for leaning on/turning into the car passing him that has no where to go but off track (ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S YOUR TEAM MATE!!!). Comes to exactly what you pointed out with Hamilton/Button, they gave each other racing room. Had Webber given Vettel racing room there would not have been a problem and the race would have probably finished Red Bull 1/2 and Mclaren Mercedes 3/4

SIK02SS

The way I saw it, Webber was pretty clearly taking racing room away from Vettel

gkmccready

I didn't see Webber turn down on Vettel. Vettel had a car width and a bit and once he got mostly alongside Webber *he* moved to the right in to Webber...

mousecatcher

might want to hit the pipe a little more ... i mean to deal with the glaucoma of course.

webber didn't turn into Vettel, and the track didn't pinch Vettel off (like the infamous bergmeister ALMS incident last year). Vettel had racing room but wanted to improve his line. he assumed Webber would move but he was wrong.

John Shiels

joemoia

And apparantly the Red Bull team Boss thought Webber should have moved over..

http://formula-one.speedtv.com/artic...blames-webber/

mousecatcher

well of course he did, he gave team orders ("save fuel") for webber to let vettel by.

and in fact Webber definitely should have moved over. but he didn't and since he didn't Vettel should not have driven over him. Webber's bad judgement doesn't clear Vettel of his mistake.

pjazz

I think It was 50 50 on both drivers. Vettel shouldn't have turned in, but Webber didn't give him much room around the corner. I thought it was interesting at the press conference that no one seems very excited to be there. Hamilton hasn't won in a while, but I don't think he liked winning that way. It was a great race.

John Shiels

then they should have told him. Could prove to be a Championship losing moment.

efranzen

I saw this posted on another forum. It definitely doesn't look like Webber turned in on Vettel to me.



And team mates or not, Webber was leading the championship. You're not going to just give up a position easily.

1991Z07

Webber was following HIS line into the turn. Just because Vettel "nearly" overtook him and was not quite alongside does NOT mean the you must give him the right of way.

They showed it from 4 or 5 different angles, in slow motion and Vettel turned into Webber, and took his own suspension off the car. He was lucky they both didn't get put out of the race.

I guess that's the difference between being a wannabe racer and an F1 stud. If you have position, you don't just "give it up" in F1. You defend it.

And in case you need more proof...see the stills above.

SIK02SS

Well, I was wrong about Webber moving over, but you contradicted yourself again...look at the photos, Vettel was ahead. And I never said you HAVE to give anyone the right of way.

oh, if you're referring to me as being a "wannabe" racer, you're pretty damn far off your rocker with that comment