How often do you torque your lug nuts on Race/HPDE days?
#1
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How often do you torque your lug nuts on Race/HPDE days?
The thread title is really rhetorical -- it's not meant as a debate but as a heads up to those who may not realize why you must constantly check your car between races/sessions, not just at tech.
I had a buddy racer drive my T1/ST2 car on Saturday (after we ran a NASA 3 hour enduro race the day before) as he was giving rides as a birthday present to a friend's son. Both his cars went down on Friday, (water pump and wheel bearing) hence using mine.
After the third session we were checking over the car and saw a stud missing off from the left front tire. Ironically later on I was in a golf cart talking to the starter when she told me she found a stud in the hot pit with the lug still attached, yup it was mine, and thankfully I already knew about it.
Remember:
1) Never assume just because you 'nut and bolted' your car or had a shop do it, that it is good to go for the day or 2-3 day event. Even if you don't torque your lugs (never do it hot after a session), there are visual checks you should always perform -- brake pad depth, all lugs attached, oil levels, etc...
2) Keep your helmet visor down. I've been hit with chunks of rubber that make a heck of an impact coming from the track, I can't imagine taking a hit from a bolt or lug. Anyone ever experience that?
Mike
I had a buddy racer drive my T1/ST2 car on Saturday (after we ran a NASA 3 hour enduro race the day before) as he was giving rides as a birthday present to a friend's son. Both his cars went down on Friday, (water pump and wheel bearing) hence using mine.
After the third session we were checking over the car and saw a stud missing off from the left front tire. Ironically later on I was in a golf cart talking to the starter when she told me she found a stud in the hot pit with the lug still attached, yup it was mine, and thankfully I already knew about it.
Remember:
1) Never assume just because you 'nut and bolted' your car or had a shop do it, that it is good to go for the day or 2-3 day event. Even if you don't torque your lugs (never do it hot after a session), there are visual checks you should always perform -- brake pad depth, all lugs attached, oil levels, etc...
2) Keep your helmet visor down. I've been hit with chunks of rubber that make a heck of an impact coming from the track, I can't imagine taking a hit from a bolt or lug. Anyone ever experience that?
Mike
#5
Luckily, it was right before pit-in. I pulled off and there was enough damage I had to change the visor. I had it down then (Formula car), but I keep it down all the time now.
Last edited by dfinke23; 07-16-2012 at 07:07 PM.
#6
Drifting
After I torque mine; snug, then 70' lbs, then 100' lbs, & I mark each lug with a 1/2" line, from center of the lugs, all pointing inward to center, so I can give them a quick look over prior to each session, or whenever I drive, & know they're torqued correctly.
I prefer not to continually loosen/torque bolts (possibly fatigue them) if I don't need to.
I prefer not to continually loosen/torque bolts (possibly fatigue them) if I don't need to.
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#9
With the race car we do full bolt checks before / after practice, and after qualifying getting ready for the race. This was an odd weekend for us assuming the heat played a big part, but we found several nuts / bolts that decided to work themselves loose. Including a rear caliper bolt that disappeared.. ;0
-mike h
-mike h
#10
Drifting
With the race car we do full bolt checks before / after practice, and after qualifying getting ready for the race. This was an odd weekend for us assuming the heat played a big part, but we found several nuts / bolts that decided to work themselves loose. Including a rear caliper bolt that disappeared.. ;0
-mike h
-mike h
Now I need to check the caliper bolts too......................
#11
Drifting
I check mine everytime I put wheels on in the shop and always before each time out on the track. There are just too many other things that can go wrong, we can at least eliminate that one variable.
The visor I need to work on, I leave it partially open most of the time, I feel a little quizzy after a few laps with it completely closed. Some of the other guys this weekend were wearing patches behind their ears to help with motion sickness. I am fully aware of the dangers of leaving it partially open, does anyone else have this problem?
The visor I need to work on, I leave it partially open most of the time, I feel a little quizzy after a few laps with it completely closed. Some of the other guys this weekend were wearing patches behind their ears to help with motion sickness. I am fully aware of the dangers of leaving it partially open, does anyone else have this problem?
#13
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I ck once cold before start & again after lunch cold. Walk around each session for visual & pop hood coolant & oil.
The thread title is really rhetorical -- it's not meant as a debate but as a heads up to those who may not realize why you must constantly check your car between races/sessions, not just at tech.
I had a buddy racer drive my T1/ST2 car on Saturday (after we ran a NASA 3 hour enduro race the day before) as he was giving rides as a birthday present to a friend's son. Both his cars went down on Friday, (water pump and wheel bearing) hence using mine.
After the third session we were checking over the car and saw a stud missing off from the left front tire. Ironically later on I was in a golf cart talking to the starter when she told me she found a stud in the hot pit with the lug still attached, yup it was mine, and thankfully I already knew about it.
Remember:
1) Never assume just because you 'nut and bolted' your car or had a shop do it, that it is good to go for the day or 2-3 day event. Even if you don't torque your lugs (never do it hot after a session), there are visual checks you should always perform -- brake pad depth, all lugs attached, oil levels, etc...
2) Keep your helmet visor down. I've been hit with chunks of rubber that make a heck of an impact coming from the track, I can't imagine taking a hit from a bolt or lug. Anyone ever experience that?
Mike
I had a buddy racer drive my T1/ST2 car on Saturday (after we ran a NASA 3 hour enduro race the day before) as he was giving rides as a birthday present to a friend's son. Both his cars went down on Friday, (water pump and wheel bearing) hence using mine.
After the third session we were checking over the car and saw a stud missing off from the left front tire. Ironically later on I was in a golf cart talking to the starter when she told me she found a stud in the hot pit with the lug still attached, yup it was mine, and thankfully I already knew about it.
Remember:
1) Never assume just because you 'nut and bolted' your car or had a shop do it, that it is good to go for the day or 2-3 day event. Even if you don't torque your lugs (never do it hot after a session), there are visual checks you should always perform -- brake pad depth, all lugs attached, oil levels, etc...
2) Keep your helmet visor down. I've been hit with chunks of rubber that make a heck of an impact coming from the track, I can't imagine taking a hit from a bolt or lug. Anyone ever experience that?
Mike
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Actually learned another use of wearing long sleeve shirts, too. A couple of years ago at VIR about half way down the back stretch I felt a really bad burning sensation in my left arm pit. The little sucker got me at least twice before getting free. Student said he could see the bee/wasp flying in the back window after it was all over. Short sleeve shirts can have too much exposure for several reasons.
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I found out last two events the lug nuts were loose after 4 sessions of 30 min each. From now on i m going to check twice on the event day. I never had this issue with my other cars before. Just wondering if its common issue on vette ?
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2) Keep your helmet visor down. I've been hit with chunks of rubber that make a heck of an impact coming from the track, I can't imagine taking a hit from a bolt or lug. Anyone ever experience that?
Been hit in the helmet by BIG BUGS flying into the cockpit, T 4 left hander
as far as lug nuts, not since I went to ARP studs and hardened lug open ended lug nuts no problems. The stock lug nuts with those aluminum covers over, well that is different
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St. Jude Donor '05-'08
Number of years ago driving VIR in the rain, I went into the tire wall on the left side of the lower esses. Driver side mirrow glass popped out and flew into my chin guard / eye shield. and bounced over to the dashboard.
Been hit in the helmet by BIG BUGS flying into the cockpit, T 4 left hander
as far as lug nuts, not since I went to ARP studs and hardened lug open ended lug nuts no problems. The stock lug nuts with those aluminum covers over, well that is different
Been hit in the helmet by BIG BUGS flying into the cockpit, T 4 left hander
as far as lug nuts, not since I went to ARP studs and hardened lug open ended lug nuts no problems. The stock lug nuts with those aluminum covers over, well that is different
Tom good point about the lugs. I use Gorilla lugs on the car and McGard on the TBSS both are much better than OEM. Nothing worse than having that aluminum cover start to spin without the lug.
#20
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I torque mine when I switch from street tires/pads to track tires, and again after little check ride around the neighborhood. Then tech usually torques them, and then before the afternoon sessions. I have never had one even come close to coming loose.
My helmet is the hybrid that cover most of the face without shield. I then wear my sunglasses to cover most of the rest. All that is exposed is my nose and upper lip.
My helmet is the hybrid that cover most of the face without shield. I then wear my sunglasses to cover most of the rest. All that is exposed is my nose and upper lip.