Originally Posted by Hi Volts Z06

While I m not backpedaling on my statement about learning the basics properly first, I will clarify that I was not bashing the product. If you are an advanced driver who wants to utilize this product, I have no problem with it. If you have a physical impediment that makes it impossible or even difficult (size 15 shoe) then I don't have a problem with it either. The problem I have is the person who says "I want to drive faster without learning to heel/ toe"....and for the record- those aren't my rules, those are the rules instructors are supposed to use to evaluate students. I recently had a student in a 600HP car at Lime Rock. He didn't know how to heel toe (nor did he even attempt it claiming he didn't wear the right shoes). He insisted he wanted to be signed off to solo. Did he drive smoothly? Yes to a degree but it was by leaving the car in 4th gear so he didn't have to deal with the ridiculous amount of torque steer that he was generating on his downshifts. Answer me this one question and I will change my position. What are you going to when your little black box ***** the bed halfway down the front straight? If you know how to heel toe- you have no problem. There are no time out's on a race track and no reset button.

Originally Posted by Hi Volts Z06

In this thread you've made reference to almost spinning a car because of the inability to properly heel toe, you've made reference to increasing your "lap times" with this product and then you've discussed how you will eventually learn how to heel toe before you solo. Here's one last thought. If you still require an instructor in the car with you, you have no business even THINKING about lap times. If you find an instructor who will sign you off to solo by using your little black box as opposed to actually demonstrating the ability to heel/toe...let me know so I make sure I never get involved with that club or group.

I've made my point clear here and won't waste anymore time on this.

Since I have not evaluated your device- I'm not going to give an opinion on it. It is a worthy product and I'm sure has a market but again- not at an HPDE event as a crutch for lack of skills.

Originally Posted by VGLNTE1

Come on fellas, this is the real forum, not off topic or c5 gen. Lol. We are all here for the same reason

Originally Posted by Olitho

...to bicker?

Originally Posted by C5Z06CE

I started the thread to present info/review about a new product I find useful. Not to argue.

I would STILL like to master heel toe but my blips are sometimes spot on and others not so much. People think somehow you are less of a driver if the car has an auto blip. What they fail to realize is that this is becoming the STANDARD in cars frequently tracked and that the guys tracking cars and motorcycles that do not have this feature are looking for it as an aftermarket item because it saves transmission wear, is safer if you have not mastered heel toe, is faster, and more accurate on the blip than a human heel/side of foot.

We all see that some of the most frequently tracked cars include Corvettes, Porsche 911 Carreras, Caymans, & GT3s, BMW M3 & M5, Ferrari, Audi RS6 & R8, Nissan 370Z. EVERY one of them are featuring automatic throttle blip on the 2013 or 2014 models. YES EVEN THE GT3....which most would consider the closest you can get to a street legal race car. In fact on the Porsches you can not even turn off the feature.

Originally Posted by C5Z06CE

I would STILL like to master heel toe but my blips are sometimes spot on and others not so much. People think somehow you are less of a driver if the car has an auto blip. What they fail to realize is that this is becoming the STANDARD in cars frequently tracked and that the guys tracking cars and motorcycles that do not have this feature are looking for it as an aftermarket item because it saves transmission wear, is safer if you have not mastered heel toe, is faster, and more accurate on the blip than a human heel/side of foot.

Originally Posted by Olitho

I still struggle with consistently well executed downshifts. I constantly make shifts that I think are bad. I keep trying to improve my H&T skills. The stresses to do it just right while at threshold braking make tough to master. I will wager most of us are not really that good at it when measured against the rev matching and traction circles maintained by the most talented racers.

Originally Posted by UstaB-GS549

It's HEEL and TOE! Not Heal and tow or whatever....

If you take away all the skill in driving fast, what is the point. My electric nannies are better than yours? F1 would be a lot more interesting if they were actually shifting and someone would blow an up shift or down shift and lose a position. Just another opinion.

Originally Posted by C5Z06CE

I started the thread to present info/review about a new product I find useful. Not to argue.

I would STILL like to master heel toe but my blips are sometimes spot on and others not so much. People think somehow you are less of a driver if the car has an auto blip. What they fail to realize is that this is becoming the STANDARD in cars frequently tracked and that the guys tracking cars and motorcycles that do not have this feature are looking for it as an aftermarket item because it saves transmission wear, is safer if you have not mastered heel toe, is faster, and more accurate on the blip than a human heel/side of foot.

We all see that some of the most frequently tracked cars include Corvettes, Porsche 911 Carreras, Caymans, & GT3s, BMW M3 & M5, Ferrari, Audi RS6 & R8, Nissan 370Z. EVERY one of them are featuring automatic throttle blip on the 2013 or 2014 models. YES EVEN THE GT3....which most would consider the closest you can get to a street legal race car. In fact on the Porsches you can not even turn off the feature.