Is Hardbar still in business?
#41
Safety Car
Look into using 7075 (or Fortal, available in inexpensive cutoffs) if you are going to make a new one. My guess is that the original brackets are 6061 but haven't looked into it.
#44
Supporting Vendor
With the exception of the iron disc ring, our Essex bracket will not work with any of the Hardbar components. We created our own internal, clean-sheet, Essex kit to address a number of the issues as shown in this post. Our design has different materials, fasteners, etc., with different bracket and hat offsets, and also seats the caliper down more closely on the bracket through the use of shorter caliper bosses (the stainless steel bits on the bottom of the caliper).
I communicated with sebdavid the other day on this topic. Hopefully you get it squared away.
For reference, the pics below are the bracket for our Essex Sprint Kit.
Last edited by JRitt@essex; 09-18-2014 at 11:28 AM. Reason: added pics
#45
Burning Brakes
My apologies -- thanks for clearing that up. I know more than one vendor that have mentioned the quote below from your web page saying the Essex kit would not be compatible with an OEM replacement setup, but since I had the Hardbar brackets I'd be OK.
The reason I was shopping for alternate rotor solutions is because I have lost confidence in my Hardbar rotor hats. The fasteners have seen too many heat cycles from 6000 track miles and the hats let the rotors move too much out of plane, knocking the pads around and giving me an inconsistent brake pedal.
Bert
Included AP Racing discs are the same size as OEM C5 discs, allowing them to be interchanged at will (Please note, OEM-style replacement discs from different manufacturers have varying tolerances. Essex cannot guarantee interchangeability with all 1-piece OEM style discs.)
Bert
#46
Supporting Vendor
My apologies -- thanks for clearing that up. I know more than one vendor that have mentioned the quote below from your web page saying the Essex kit would not be compatible with an OEM replacement setup, but since I had the Hardbar brackets I'd be OK.
The reason I was shopping for alternate rotor solutions is because I have lost confidence in my Hardbar rotor hats. The fasteners have seen too many heat cycles from 6000 track miles and the hats let the rotors move too much out of plane, knocking the pads around and giving me an inconsistent brake pedal.
Bert
The reason I was shopping for alternate rotor solutions is because I have lost confidence in my Hardbar rotor hats. The fasteners have seen too many heat cycles from 6000 track miles and the hats let the rotors move too much out of plane, knocking the pads around and giving me an inconsistent brake pedal.
Bert
Yep, unfortunately our hat offsets are a little different so they won't work on your setup.
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I need to mull this over and see which way to go.
#48
Le Mans Master
I installed Essex's kit on our other car a couple of months ago. Aside from the rotors & calipers being the same the rest of it was night & day better than Hardbar's. The bracket design is far superior - instead of threading a bolt through the bracket the bracket has the bolts so all you do is slide the caliper onto those and tighten down a nut - perfect.
#49
Safety Car
I'm trying to sell my Hardbar AP T1 kit if anyone is interested in spare parts. I'm not going to break it all up though. Calipers and brackets stay together. I also have DRM 14" 2pc rotors with a set of brand new rings.
#50
Drifting
Good points, and I'm certainly not putting it all (small business failures) on one factor. I don't think you can either. Having said that the overwhelming anti business agenda and pro government control (central control) is IMO a MAJOR factor in most small business failures and lack of will to create new small businesses.
You tell a small business who is operating on a zero to maybe 10% net before tax margin varying month to month,
"Oh, by the way, you need to cover all your employees with health insurance, or we'll fine you out of existance",
you may as well turn off the power & close the door. It's just not possible.
People watch a little bit of business news, especially on the lefty networks/cable and see a story about some hedge fund guy making millions & they think all business is like that.
Well it's not, most struggle, most do care about employees, most are not "raking it in".
Not to be arguing with anyone on the thread, just sayin' it's probably a complex set of events/circumstance when vendors go away.
You tell a small business who is operating on a zero to maybe 10% net before tax margin varying month to month,
"Oh, by the way, you need to cover all your employees with health insurance, or we'll fine you out of existance",
you may as well turn off the power & close the door. It's just not possible.
People watch a little bit of business news, especially on the lefty networks/cable and see a story about some hedge fund guy making millions & they think all business is like that.
Well it's not, most struggle, most do care about employees, most are not "raking it in".
Not to be arguing with anyone on the thread, just sayin' it's probably a complex set of events/circumstance when vendors go away.
I love my 09 Z and try and do 2 or 3 track days a year and will keep doing that as long as I can climb in and out of whatever Vette I own.
I have told my wife we may end up in a doublewide but it will have a 2 car garage with a Vette in it.
Be sure and VOTE this year.
#51
Race Director
Froggy I completely agree with your thoughts. I started a small excavating company at the age of 20 in 1978 which grew into a larger small excavating company over the years. As you can imagine we experienced a lot of ups and downs but always felt I could work my way out of any difficulties. Over the last 7 years of downturn I do not feel that way anymore. I am still struggling on because of my kids and long time employees but it is very hard. Every single contractor I know says the same thing about this economy and I suspect it is true in most places.
I love my 09 Z and try and do 2 or 3 track days a year and will keep doing that as long as I can climb in and out of whatever Vette I own.
I have told my wife we may end up in a doublewide but it will have a 2 car garage with a Vette in it.
Be sure and VOTE this year.
I love my 09 Z and try and do 2 or 3 track days a year and will keep doing that as long as I can climb in and out of whatever Vette I own.
I have told my wife we may end up in a doublewide but it will have a 2 car garage with a Vette in it.
Be sure and VOTE this year.
Everyone get out the vote, it's not hard to do, get a mail in ballot if needed & take the Senate back in this year!!
#52
Drifting
With the exception of the iron disc ring, our Essex bracket will not work with any of the Hardbar components. We created our own internal, clean-sheet, Essex kit to address a number of the issues as shown in this post. Our design has different materials, fasteners, etc., with different bracket and hat offsets, and also seats the caliper down more closely on the bracket through the use of shorter caliper bosses (the stainless steel bits on the bottom of the caliper).
We have the Hardbar front setup as you know. I was thinking about moving our existing front bracket and rotors to the rear with your new rear caliper and have you send 355mm rotors and new front bracket and reuse our front calipers to complete the package. Doesn't look like that will fly without some modification........
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Other have cracked brackets ?
Hi my name is Patrick and I bought the Z06 of SebDavid a forum member here. It's me that (luckily) found that the Hardbar T1 brackets where cracked. I was shock when I disassemble it and have it in my hand... so small for a 3000lbs 500hp car. We try Seb and I to found via Essex the replacement bracket but as they said it will not fit. They offers us a nice rebate for a sprint kit but I decline it because the caliper are still in good shape So I went to my friend shop and ask I'm to send it for welding.I had it reinstall but never had confidence in those brackets .
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Hi my name is Patrick and I bought the Z06 of SebDavid a forum member here. It's me that (luckily) found that the Hardbar T1 brackets where cracked. I was shock when I disassemble it and have it in my hand... so small for a 3000lbs 500hp car. We try Seb and I to found via Essex the replacement bracket but as they said it will not fit. They offers us a nice rebate for a sprint kit but I decline it because the caliper are still in good shape So I went to my friend shop and ask I'm to send it for welding.I had it reinstall but never had confidence in those brackets .
There's also a website called emachine shop that provides you free cad software with price estimation - you design the part and they make it for you out of almost any material you could come up with
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He put me in relation with one of is client (Massive Brakes) who make many kind of high quality brackets and add on for the BMW market.
I ask him to design me a bracket to fit the new Wilwood caliper that is almost the same dimension as the AP Racing 8350 but with 6 Pistons.They had a 4 pistons caliper with the same surface ratio of the C5 oem caliper that is built on the same caliper core, so the brackets will fit on the 4 corner...
The best thing is that it will fit the same disk and pad as the front.
When I receive my bracket I was curious to see if it will fit the AP Racing caliper .... And yes it almost fit perfectly... I had some mod to do on it but wow it fit....
So I whant to know if someone is interested in thoses brackets cause I had to made a bunch of them ( 30 )to have a price that could justify the machining and designing of those brackets.
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Thank's for the hint, but I already via my friend who own a shop done something.
He put me in relation with one of is client (Massive Brakes) who make many kind of high quality brackets and add on for the BMW market.
I ask him to design me a bracket to fit the new Wilwood caliper that is almost the same dimension as the AP Racing 8350 but with 6 Pistons.They had a 4 pistons caliper with the same surface ratio of the C5 oem caliper that is built on the same caliper core, so the brackets will fit on the 4 corner...
The best thing is that it will fit the same disk and pad as the front.
When I receive my bracket I was curious to see if it will fit the AP Racing caliper .... And yes it almost fit perfectly... I had some mod to do on it but wow it fit....
So I whant to know if someone is interested in thoses brackets cause I had to made a bunch of them ( 30 )to have a price that could justify the machining and designing of those brackets.
He put me in relation with one of is client (Massive Brakes) who make many kind of high quality brackets and add on for the BMW market.
I ask him to design me a bracket to fit the new Wilwood caliper that is almost the same dimension as the AP Racing 8350 but with 6 Pistons.They had a 4 pistons caliper with the same surface ratio of the C5 oem caliper that is built on the same caliper core, so the brackets will fit on the 4 corner...
The best thing is that it will fit the same disk and pad as the front.
When I receive my bracket I was curious to see if it will fit the AP Racing caliper .... And yes it almost fit perfectly... I had some mod to do on it but wow it fit....
So I whant to know if someone is interested in thoses brackets cause I had to made a bunch of them ( 30 )to have a price that could justify the machining and designing of those brackets.
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Plus my shipping fees.