PFADT back?
11-06-2014, 06:38 PM
#21
Drifting
Generally when a company goes thru reorganization a lot of suppliers get stiffed too. What happens is that the reorganized company can't pay off some folks and not others. That means that everybody gets made whole (or settles for less than the total owed), or nobody get made whole. They generally cannot go back and selectively make the customers whole without paying off all of their suppliers, which is very unlikely to happen.
Unless someone with very deep pockets comes in and bails them out it isn't going to happen. It could happen, but I would be very surprised if it did, and if I was expecting a refund or parts from the old Pfadt, I wouldn't hold my breath.
Unless someone with very deep pockets comes in and bails them out it isn't going to happen. It could happen, but I would be very surprised if it did, and if I was expecting a refund or parts from the old Pfadt, I wouldn't hold my breath.
As far as repayments etc. I agree with what you wrote, if people are owed money it's not going to happen. As a supplier I would not be happy about that but it's business and companies that you do work for are going to go under periodically. The consumers are the innocent ones that should not be caught up in this mess imho but unfortunately are because of the way they (Pfadt) conducted them self.
11-06-2014, 08:29 PM
#22
Le Mans Master
Additionally, I know that some customers had issues with getting product they ordered and paid for. In some cases the customers were able to reverse the charges on their cards. In other cases Pfadt was able to scare up some product to ship.
Financial difficulties at a company are a difficult chasm to navigate and it is seldom as clean as you profess. There is talk about the vast number of customers jilted by Pfadt. So far I have not seen too many actual remaining cases of such, but I recommend those people write to Aaron and Pfadt Racing to see what can be resolved, if anything, at this point in time. That is what I would do.
In the US bankruptcies are disappointing, but it is not a crime. The ability to take a risk and venture out is what separates the US from almost every other country. That is why we have so many great inventions, new products and great companies.
I wish the best to Pfadt Racing and I hope that any client issues can be rectified.
11-06-2014, 09:13 PM
#23
Drifting
You are mixing together a lot of personal opinion vs. what is stated in bankruptcy law. As the one who helped Aaron put this deal together with a much better financed company, with much larger revenues and a much deeper management bench, I can assure you that many of your assertions are incorrect.
Additionally, I know that some customers had issues with getting product they ordered and paid for. In some cases the customers were able to reverse the charges on their cards. In other cases Pfadt was able to scare up some product to ship.
Financial difficulties at a company are a difficult chasm to navigate and it is seldom as clean as you profess. There is talk about the vast number of customers jilted by Pfadt. So far I have not seen too many actual remaining cases of such, but I recommend those people write to Aaron and Pfadt Racing to see what can be resolved, if anything, at this point in time. That is what I would do.
In the US bankruptcies are disappointing, but it is not a crime. The ability to take a risk and venture out is what separates the US from almost every other country. That is why we have so many great inventions, new products and great companies.
I wish the best to Pfadt Racing and I hope that any client issues can be rectified.
Additionally, I know that some customers had issues with getting product they ordered and paid for. In some cases the customers were able to reverse the charges on their cards. In other cases Pfadt was able to scare up some product to ship.
Financial difficulties at a company are a difficult chasm to navigate and it is seldom as clean as you profess. There is talk about the vast number of customers jilted by Pfadt. So far I have not seen too many actual remaining cases of such, but I recommend those people write to Aaron and Pfadt Racing to see what can be resolved, if anything, at this point in time. That is what I would do.
In the US bankruptcies are disappointing, but it is not a crime. The ability to take a risk and venture out is what separates the US from almost every other country. That is why we have so many great inventions, new products and great companies.
I wish the best to Pfadt Racing and I hope that any client issues can be rectified.
You can spin it as the ability to take risk is what makes America great or however you want but the bottom line is that a bunch of customers bought into Pfadt and their products and a lot of them ended up getting screwed. Either through questionable quality parts or by being billed for product that they never received, the fact that they may or may not have been able to dispute their credit card charges after the fact does not make it better nor make how they were treated irrelevant.
11-06-2014, 09:45 PM
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Folks,
Let me interject here. There has not been a single part that Puff daddy (pfadt) made that actually was up to track standards.
He got every truthful thread blocked or shut down so nothing negative could reach the forum members. Of course that will change back again when they sign up to buy an ad.
They threatened dealers if they carried competitors parts or posted up positive things about other companies.
As for the facts that kept getting squashed, the Front sway bars broke, --- rear sway bars did not work like a sway bar because the rear arms, at ride height were angled up and did not actually rotate.
His spherical bearings came loose and needed lock tight to keep them Working for a few miles before they rattled and needed replacement parts.
His shocks were junk and broke often but this was also kept from the forum. He either bribed his customers into not speaking up or got the thread deleted. When they first came out, I posted up the problems because he was not a sponsor yet and all that did was help him to get them closer to actually function but he still broke shocks left and right.
His header stats and results were mostly hype and even though they came from China, he claimed - made in USA. Now, we get a few things made in china but we do not lie and call them MADE in the USA.
In addition, most of his forum supporters came from in house posting from his own company IP address. And as long as it appeared to not be the vendor posting, they bashed the competition at will.
Integrity means doing the right thing when no one is watching. This return is going to be ugly.
Every company has minor issues but we remedy the cause as well as stand behind our products.
In our 40 years of racing and winning championships and so many race wins, we have seen every problem you can imagine. That way we avoid passing the problems on to you.
Our prices are competitive-- our products are second to none-- and with few exception, we strive to offer the best service in the industry.
That is why we race and you win.
Thanks for everything.
Lou gigliotti.
Let me interject here. There has not been a single part that Puff daddy (pfadt) made that actually was up to track standards.
He got every truthful thread blocked or shut down so nothing negative could reach the forum members. Of course that will change back again when they sign up to buy an ad.
They threatened dealers if they carried competitors parts or posted up positive things about other companies.
As for the facts that kept getting squashed, the Front sway bars broke, --- rear sway bars did not work like a sway bar because the rear arms, at ride height were angled up and did not actually rotate.
His spherical bearings came loose and needed lock tight to keep them Working for a few miles before they rattled and needed replacement parts.
His shocks were junk and broke often but this was also kept from the forum. He either bribed his customers into not speaking up or got the thread deleted. When they first came out, I posted up the problems because he was not a sponsor yet and all that did was help him to get them closer to actually function but he still broke shocks left and right.
His header stats and results were mostly hype and even though they came from China, he claimed - made in USA. Now, we get a few things made in china but we do not lie and call them MADE in the USA.
In addition, most of his forum supporters came from in house posting from his own company IP address. And as long as it appeared to not be the vendor posting, they bashed the competition at will.
Integrity means doing the right thing when no one is watching. This return is going to be ugly.
Every company has minor issues but we remedy the cause as well as stand behind our products.
In our 40 years of racing and winning championships and so many race wins, we have seen every problem you can imagine. That way we avoid passing the problems on to you.
Our prices are competitive-- our products are second to none-- and with few exception, we strive to offer the best service in the industry.
That is why we race and you win.
Thanks for everything.
Lou gigliotti.
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11-06-2014, 10:32 PM
#26
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Wow. That is some interesting info. I personally never purchased any pfhadt parts, but I've dealt with a company that went down and out knowing full well what they were doing and still collecting $. Many years later that taste in my mouth is still very bad and I'm guessing such will be the case with pfhadt if this was their mo as well as their products substandard.
I've also had post blocked on forums just because they were forum sponsors. Bad way to do biz!
I've also had post blocked on forums just because they were forum sponsors. Bad way to do biz!
11-06-2014, 10:51 PM
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The truth has never been allowed to reach any forum members.
The opportunity that we grabbed came into 2001 when we developed our own corvette headers. Then all the street versions of our race parts.
It has been Fun for sure.
It is what it is. We can't change reality.
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
The opportunity that we grabbed came into 2001 when we developed our own corvette headers. Then all the street versions of our race parts.
It has been Fun for sure.
It is what it is. We can't change reality.
Thanks
Lou gigliotti
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11-06-2014, 11:54 PM
#28
Safety Car
Folks,
Let me interject here. There has not been a single part that Puff daddy (pfadt) made that actually was up to track standards.
He got every truthful thread blocked or shut down so nothing negative could reach the forum members. Of course that will change back again when they sign up to buy an ad.
They threatened dealers if they carried competitors parts or posted up positive things about other companies.
As for the facts that kept getting squashed, the Front sway bars broke, --- rear sway bars did not work like a sway bar because the rear arms, at ride height were angled up and did not actually rotate.
His spherical bearings came loose and needed lock tight to keep them Working for a few miles before they rattled and needed replacement parts.
His shocks were junk and broke often but this was also kept from the forum. He either bribed his customers into not speaking up or got the thread deleted. When they first came out, I posted up the problems because he was not a sponsor yet and all that did was help him to get them closer to actually function but he still broke shocks left and right.
His header stats and results were mostly hype and even though they came from China, he claimed - made in USA. Now, we get a few things made in china but we do not lie and call them MADE in the USA.
In addition, most of his forum supporters came from in house posting from his own company IP address. And as long as it appeared to not be the vendor posting, they bashed the competition at will.
Integrity means doing the right thing when no one is watching. This return is going to be ugly.
Every company has minor issues but we remedy the cause as well as stand behind our products.
In our 40 years of racing and winning championships and so many race wins, we have seen every problem you can imagine. That way we avoid passing the problems on to you.
Our prices are competitive-- our products are second to none-- and with few exception, we strive to offer the best service in the industry.
That is why we race and you win.
Thanks for everything.
Lou gigliotti.
Let me interject here. There has not been a single part that Puff daddy (pfadt) made that actually was up to track standards.
He got every truthful thread blocked or shut down so nothing negative could reach the forum members. Of course that will change back again when they sign up to buy an ad.
They threatened dealers if they carried competitors parts or posted up positive things about other companies.
As for the facts that kept getting squashed, the Front sway bars broke, --- rear sway bars did not work like a sway bar because the rear arms, at ride height were angled up and did not actually rotate.
His spherical bearings came loose and needed lock tight to keep them Working for a few miles before they rattled and needed replacement parts.
His shocks were junk and broke often but this was also kept from the forum. He either bribed his customers into not speaking up or got the thread deleted. When they first came out, I posted up the problems because he was not a sponsor yet and all that did was help him to get them closer to actually function but he still broke shocks left and right.
His header stats and results were mostly hype and even though they came from China, he claimed - made in USA. Now, we get a few things made in china but we do not lie and call them MADE in the USA.
In addition, most of his forum supporters came from in house posting from his own company IP address. And as long as it appeared to not be the vendor posting, they bashed the competition at will.
Integrity means doing the right thing when no one is watching. This return is going to be ugly.
Every company has minor issues but we remedy the cause as well as stand behind our products.
In our 40 years of racing and winning championships and so many race wins, we have seen every problem you can imagine. That way we avoid passing the problems on to you.
Our prices are competitive-- our products are second to none-- and with few exception, we strive to offer the best service in the industry.
That is why we race and you win.
Thanks for everything.
Lou gigliotti.
Thanks for this post. I've seen first hand the Pfadt sway bar issues you raised. The spherical bearing info I hadn't heard before and I hope isn't universal since I have those Pfadt sphericals on my car.
11-06-2014, 11:54 PM
#29
Folks,
Let me interject here. There has not been a single part that Puff daddy (pfadt) made that actually was up to track standards.
He got every truthful thread blocked or shut down so nothing negative could reach the forum members. Of course that will change back again when they sign up to buy an ad.
They threatened dealers if they carried competitors parts or posted up positive things about other companies.
As for the facts that kept getting squashed, the Front sway bars broke, --- rear sway bars did not work like a sway bar because the rear arms, at ride height were angled up and did not actually rotate.
His spherical bearings came loose and needed lock tight to keep them Working for a few miles before they rattled and needed replacement parts.
His shocks were junk and broke often but this was also kept from the forum. He either bribed his customers into not speaking up or got the thread deleted. When they first came out, I posted up the problems because he was not a sponsor yet and all that did was help him to get them closer to actually function but he still broke shocks left and right.
His header stats and results were mostly hype and even though they came from China, he claimed - made in USA. Now, we get a few things made in china but we do not lie and call them MADE in the USA.
In addition, most of his forum supporters came from in house posting from his own company IP address. And as long as it appeared to not be the vendor posting, they bashed the competition at will.
Integrity means doing the right thing when no one is watching. This return is going to be ugly.
Every company has minor issues but we remedy the cause as well as stand behind our products.
In our 40 years of racing and winning championships and so many race wins, we have seen every problem you can imagine. That way we avoid passing the problems on to you.
Our prices are competitive-- our products are second to none-- and with few exception, we strive to offer the best service in the industry.
That is why we race and you win.
Thanks for everything.
Lou gigliotti.
Let me interject here. There has not been a single part that Puff daddy (pfadt) made that actually was up to track standards.
He got every truthful thread blocked or shut down so nothing negative could reach the forum members. Of course that will change back again when they sign up to buy an ad.
They threatened dealers if they carried competitors parts or posted up positive things about other companies.
As for the facts that kept getting squashed, the Front sway bars broke, --- rear sway bars did not work like a sway bar because the rear arms, at ride height were angled up and did not actually rotate.
His spherical bearings came loose and needed lock tight to keep them Working for a few miles before they rattled and needed replacement parts.
His shocks were junk and broke often but this was also kept from the forum. He either bribed his customers into not speaking up or got the thread deleted. When they first came out, I posted up the problems because he was not a sponsor yet and all that did was help him to get them closer to actually function but he still broke shocks left and right.
His header stats and results were mostly hype and even though they came from China, he claimed - made in USA. Now, we get a few things made in china but we do not lie and call them MADE in the USA.
In addition, most of his forum supporters came from in house posting from his own company IP address. And as long as it appeared to not be the vendor posting, they bashed the competition at will.
Integrity means doing the right thing when no one is watching. This return is going to be ugly.
Every company has minor issues but we remedy the cause as well as stand behind our products.
In our 40 years of racing and winning championships and so many race wins, we have seen every problem you can imagine. That way we avoid passing the problems on to you.
Our prices are competitive-- our products are second to none-- and with few exception, we strive to offer the best service in the industry.
That is why we race and you win.
Thanks for everything.
Lou gigliotti.
11-07-2014, 12:26 AM
#31
Melting Slicks
I have to say that their headers were 100% made from stainless stock cut, bent and welded in house I watch the process. Its just not true they came from China. I have no stake either way but live close and saw with my own eyes CNC pipe benders and in house people welding them right there on the spot.
11-07-2014, 01:12 AM
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Sample shipment record for Pfadt Race Engineering
Pfadt Race Engineering imports from Ningbo Yinzhou Gns Auto Parts Co.,l in China through the port of Los Angeles, California
BILL OF LADING
Manufacturer / Shipper Consignee
NINGBO YINZHOU GNS AUTO PARTS CO.,L
YUNLONG INDUSTRIAL ZONE,YINZHOU NINGBO CN
PFADT RACE ENGINEERING
1055 SOUTH 700 WEST SALT LAKE CITY CN
Notify Party Marks and Numbers
PFADT RACE ENGINEERING
1055 SOUTH 700 WEST SALT LAKE CITY CN
PFADT
Master Bill of Lading Number Container Number
OOLU2530530710 OOLU6322660
Product Description
EXHAUST PIPES
NOTE: This is a full container. This "Record" of the container shipment is an example of the type of record that can be had but it is a FULL container that was shipped to Pfadt.
Pfadt Race Engineering imports from Ningbo Yinzhou Gns Auto Parts Co.,l in China through the port of Los Angeles, California
BILL OF LADING
Manufacturer / Shipper Consignee
NINGBO YINZHOU GNS AUTO PARTS CO.,L
YUNLONG INDUSTRIAL ZONE,YINZHOU NINGBO CN
PFADT RACE ENGINEERING
1055 SOUTH 700 WEST SALT LAKE CITY CN
Notify Party Marks and Numbers
PFADT RACE ENGINEERING
1055 SOUTH 700 WEST SALT LAKE CITY CN
PFADT
Master Bill of Lading Number Container Number
OOLU2530530710 OOLU6322660
Product Description
EXHAUST PIPES
NOTE: This is a full container. This "Record" of the container shipment is an example of the type of record that can be had but it is a FULL container that was shipped to Pfadt.
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11-07-2014, 01:24 AM
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BILL OF LADING
Manufacturer / Shipper Consignee
HD SYSTEM CO., LTD.
1035, SHINWANG-RI, YANGGAM-MYUN, HWASUNG-SI, KYUNGGI-DO, KOREA . TEL:82-31-352-5452,3 KR031-352-5452
ROBBIN C. SOWINSKI
PFADT RACE ENGINEERING 1525 S.GLADIOLA, SUITE 1 SALT LAKE UT 84104 CITY, UT 84104 USA US8889722464
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Manufacturer / Shipper Consignee
HD SYSTEM CO., LTD.
1035, SHINWANG-RI, YANGGAM-MYUN, HWASUNG-SI, KYUNGGI-DO, KOREA . TEL:82-31-352-5452,3 KR031-352-5452
ROBBIN C. SOWINSKI
PFADT RACE ENGINEERING 1525 S.GLADIOLA, SUITE 1 SALT LAKE UT 84104 CITY, UT 84104 USA US8889722464
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11-07-2014, 01:44 AM
#34
Melting Slicks
I'm a manufacture myself not in automotive of course, but I get samples of stuff sent to me from China factories all the time doesn't mean my customers are wearing them. When I'm not on the inside I guess I shouldn't open my mouth and I'm certainly not trying to talk for anybody, but I did get to tour their building and saw production header manufacturing taking place. I'll leave it at that.
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11-07-2014, 03:32 AM
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Just a thought...
11-07-2014, 07:25 AM
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Guys,
These were two full Containers, not samples in a box. I posted up the complete manifest on this some time ago, when this issue came up, but I could not find it quickly last night. It may have been one of the ones deleted by the Forum.
Think what you want. it does not matter to me. Just also think of the pattern and lack of honor displayed by that company and make your own judgements.
Making them in China is no worse than GM making 35% of the Corvette in China in one of their 11 new factories over there.
The issue is the claim that they were 100% made here. And regardless, like all their products, their last batch would not fit the car.
I am not going to get into a pissing match about the totality of this failed company.
LG Motorsports has been a Forum Member since 2001. We have seen companies come and go over the years. Nothing will stop them from entering the Corvette market. But it is Honor and Integrity that will keep them here.
Most of the forum members know me. They also know that I would not say anything that I was not able to back up.
Have a great day.
Lou Gigliotti
These were two full Containers, not samples in a box. I posted up the complete manifest on this some time ago, when this issue came up, but I could not find it quickly last night. It may have been one of the ones deleted by the Forum.
Think what you want. it does not matter to me. Just also think of the pattern and lack of honor displayed by that company and make your own judgements.
Making them in China is no worse than GM making 35% of the Corvette in China in one of their 11 new factories over there.
The issue is the claim that they were 100% made here. And regardless, like all their products, their last batch would not fit the car.
I am not going to get into a pissing match about the totality of this failed company.
LG Motorsports has been a Forum Member since 2001. We have seen companies come and go over the years. Nothing will stop them from entering the Corvette market. But it is Honor and Integrity that will keep them here.
Most of the forum members know me. They also know that I would not say anything that I was not able to back up.
Have a great day.
Lou Gigliotti
11-07-2014, 07:35 AM
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I have no dog in this fight but a bill of lading from China for "exhaust pipes" can simply be raw materials, not finished headers. Sourcing tubing from overseas mills and then having craftsmen build the headers here in the states doesn't equal headers made in China.
Just a thought...
Just a thought...
The US Government customs is not a place that you can "wing it". There are tariff codes that must be accurate and that would not allow a sloppy description.
When I get back from SEMA, I will look in my office computer to see if I have the full record for you, just because I am a hard head,
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11-07-2014, 07:36 AM
#39
Team Owner
I've seen there stuff break time and time again, not fit, not perform, but like Lou said, you would never find that hear. I know a lot of people who went through 2-3 sets of coilovers, 2-3 sets of headers, and just kept replacing it. When they finally move on to some quality parts, not only were the cars faster, they were more reliable. It was all marketing fluff. There were 1-2 parts that were decent (motor mounts, tranny mounts), other than that, almost all of it was substandard sold and marketed like top tier parts.
If you want coilovers get Ridetech, LG, penske, moton, ohlins, or one of the many companies that makes a quality one. If you want sways there are plenty of good options.
If you want coilovers get Ridetech, LG, penske, moton, ohlins, or one of the many companies that makes a quality one. If you want sways there are plenty of good options.
11-07-2014, 08:25 AM
#40
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I'm a manufacture myself not in automotive of course, but I get samples of stuff sent to me from China factories all the time doesn't mean my customers are wearing them. When I'm not on the inside I guess I shouldn't open my mouth and I'm certainly not trying to talk for anybody, but I did get to tour their building and saw production header manufacturing taking place. I'll leave it at that.
CF does too much to protect shady vendors as long as they pay up. This is not the first time this has happened either with them shoveling stuff under the rug. MTI (Texas) was ripping people off too and then went under.
There is too much defense of lack of ethics here. There clearly are still people missing products or money. While the vendors just resurfaces with an expected clean slate. That is a slap in the face to all of those guys.