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Old 05-20-2015, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by rjkc5y2k
I finally made the move and ordered tires from Tire Rack. Ordered 275/35R-18 BRIDGESTONE POTENZA RE-71R SL for the fronts and P315/30ZR-18 BFGOODRICH G-FORCE RIVAL S LL for the rears. After reading the comments in this thread and going to the Pro Solo at the Met Life Stadium and watching Mike Johnson and Mark Daddio this shouldn't be a bad combination. I will find out myself. Just got to tired of waiting for other BF Goodrich sizes.

The Bridgestones shipped today and Tire Rack said the BF Goodrich should be available late this month. My formula 43 wheels should be shipped the week of May 25th. Can't wait to finally get started autocrossing after a long absent (years). Want to thank Xian, Sam, and others for helping me make up my mind.
Very cool.

Don't forget to heat cycle the tires if you're not having TR do it.
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Originally Posted by troyguitar
17's are dead unless you run Hoosiers, it is sad. I'd rather run 17's on my C5 too.

For 285 or bigger street tires that are competitive, you have 1 option in the damn universe: Rival S on 18's.

I blame autocrossers for driving miatas instead of vettes.
What if I auto-x both? Still my fault....?

Tires are cheaper and more available on the Miata. The Corvette, looking at TR and others I'm screwed for availability on both 17"s and 18"s for the time being, those old ZII's on the Corvette are looking mightly slim in the tread depth department. Not good....BFG and Bridgestone need to step up production. I NEED to buy something soon, TAKE MY MONEY!!! Maybe I'll give Hoosier a call...
Old 05-21-2015, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 93Rubie
What if I auto-x both? Still my fault....?

Tires are cheaper and more available on the Miata. The Corvette, looking at TR and others I'm screwed for availability on both 17"s and 18"s for the time being, those old ZII's on the Corvette are looking mightly slim in the tread depth department. Not good....BFG and Bridgestone need to step up production. I NEED to buy something soon, TAKE MY MONEY!!!Maybe I'll give Hoosier a call...
I know Im about to get a set of Forgestars from Sam and some 315/335 RivalS because Im sick of driving better and losing because of tires.
Sam you running any deals that can get me off the fence? Anything used in C6Z sizes?
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Originally Posted by 93Rubie
What if I auto-x both? Still my fault....?

Tires are cheaper and more available on the Miata RIGHT NOW. The Corvette, looking at TR and others I'm screwed for availability on both 17"s and 18"s for the time being, those old ZII's on the Corvette are looking mightly slim in the tread depth department. Not good....BFG and Bridgestone need to step up production. I NEED to buy something soon, TAKE MY MONEY!!! Maybe I'll give Hoosier a call...
Errrrr, fixed ^^^^. Let's not forget that the 225/45 15 RS3v2 and prior Rival were sold out from around November until early April. That left folks with less optimal, 205/50 15 options.

Like I've said before, if you want the tires then put in your order. TR and Phil's are getting shipments in but they're selling them about as fast as the orders are filled. The result is that the website shows them sold-out most of the time.
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Originally Posted by Sam Strano
315/30-18 A7's are out there. Hoosier made them and I have some. Others do have them, TireRack isn't the only game in town.

Sam could you recommend wheel & tire size for my 01 Z for Auto X. I've tried the street tire route for two seasons and am sick of the BS. Going backto R-comp next season. Joel
Old 06-01-2015, 03:39 PM
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Saw a FB post from Phil's Tire that they've got the 315 and 335 18 Rival-S in stock... limited quantities and they're still offering free shipping.
Old 06-01-2015, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Xian
Saw a FB post from Phil's Tire that they've got the 315 and 335 18 Rival-S in stock... limited quantities and they're still offering free shipping.
Thanks. I'm still trying to figure out if BFG's 315 square on 10.5 is any better then BS 275 square on 10.5 rims.
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Originally Posted by mountainbiker2
Thanks. I'm still trying to figure out if BFG's 315 square on 10.5 is any better then BS 275 square on 10.5 rims.
As long as the 315 on a 10.5 doesn't feel horrible, I suspect that it'll be the better option (for autoX). In equal sizes, it doesn't appear the Rival-S is "faster" than the 71R but there's a damn big difference in size between those two.
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Originally Posted by Xian
As long as the 315 on a 10.5 doesn't feel horrible, I suspect that it'll be the better option (for autoX). In equal sizes, it doesn't appear the Rival-S is "faster" than the 71R but there's a damn big difference in size between those two.
Size for size it looks pretty close. I wouldn't even think of buying the BFG's if that was my case. Since I run with other groups besides SCCA I can run my 10.5 all the way around. A 315 square sure seems tempting for those days. I still have 4 more events on my Hoosiers A6's (315)before I have to make a choice. I'm running BS 275 square for A street now. 10.5 rear, 9.5 front.

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I've read it all. My Z wants new shoes. Made a lot of calls the last couple of months, and no one has tires in the sizes needed for the Z06. So I have decided to order A7's. BMF-G can get it another year, I don't think so.
Not waiting any longer. Better for the track as well.
Old 06-02-2015, 12:22 AM
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I just picked up a set of re71r's for my C7 and that 275 is the biggest 275 Ive ever seen. It seems to measure really close to the Trofeo R 's on the Z28. They seem awfully big.
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Originally Posted by mountainbiker2
Size for size it looks pretty close. I wouldn't even think of buying the BFG's if that was my case. Since I run with other groups besides SCCA I can run my 10.5 all the way around. A 315 square sure seems tempting for those days. I still have 4 more events on my Hoosiers A6's (315)before I have to make a choice. I'm running BS 275 square for A street now. 10.5 rear, 9.5 front.

Thanks,
If you've got enough wheels to go around and want to run 315 square for non-SCCA events, I'd give it a try. You could use your current 275 71R's on the front and the 315's on the rear for SCCA events.

Originally Posted by AUTO_X_AL
I just picked up a set of re71r's for my C7 and that 275 is the biggest 275 Ive ever seen. It seems to measure really close to the Trofeo R 's on the Z28. They seem awfully big.
They're a pretty decent size but, at least for the 275/35 18, not particularly larger than the Z2*spec. Here's some size comparison of them from when I swapped recently....

315 Rival vs. 275 Z2*spec:




275 Z2*spec vs. 275 RE71R:




275 RE71R vs. 255 Z2*spec:
Old 06-02-2015, 10:21 AM
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What's the word on the 275/35-18 Rival-S? Anyone have them on order from TR with an estimated delivery date?
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Originally Posted by TypeIsCheap
What's the word on the 275/35-18 Rival-S? Anyone have them on order from TR with an estimated delivery date?
Last I saw from TR was that BFG had pushed back production dates for that size again and there wasn't a clear ETA for them.
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Guys, I'm just starting to knock the rust off after not autocrossing (or anything) for several years. With the street tire situation what it is, I'm still not entirely sure if I'll be buying street tires or A7's . My 01 C5Z came with old Rivals on stock wheels sized 255/315. Generally speaking how much faster do you think the Rival S and/or RE71R tires are compared to the old Rivals I'm running? One second on a minute long course? Less? More? Just trying to judge if my driving is good enough for me to justify going ahead with a tire purchase or bad enough that I should just run some more on these old Rivals.
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Originally Posted by Gary K
Guys, I'm just starting to knock the rust off after not autocrossing (or anything) for several years. With the street tire situation what it is, I'm still not entirely sure if I'll be buying street tires or A7's . My 01 C5Z came with old Rivals on stock wheels sized 255/315. Generally speaking how much faster do you think the Rival S and/or RE71R tires are compared to the old Rivals I'm running? One second on a minute long course? Less? More? Just trying to judge if my driving is good enough for me to justify going ahead with a tire purchase or bad enough that I should just run some more on these old Rivals.
My guesstimate would be something around a second on a 60 second course plus a little more given the age of what you're on plus the narrow 255's. If you don't want to deal with the supply and wear of the 71R/Rival-S, maybe look at the RS3 instead?
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Originally Posted by 90pololt4
I've read it all. My Z wants new shoes. Made a lot of calls the last couple of months, and no one has tires in the sizes needed for the Z06. So I have decided to order A7's. BMF-G can get it another year, I don't think so.
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Originally Posted by Gary K
Guys, I'm just starting to knock the rust off after not autocrossing (or anything) for several years. With the street tire situation what it is, I'm still not entirely sure if I'll be buying street tires or A7's . My 01 C5Z came with old Rivals on stock wheels sized 255/315. Generally speaking how much faster do you think the Rival S and/or RE71R tires are compared to the old Rivals I'm running? One second on a minute long course? Less? More? Just trying to judge if my driving is good enough for me to justify going ahead with a tire purchase or bad enough that I should just run some more on these old Rivals.
On a minute long course, my estimate is that the re71r's are at least 3 seconds faster. On a sub 30 second practice course, the RS3 v2's (which are slower than the re71r's) were quite a bit faster than the old rivals.
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Originally Posted by Xian
My guesstimate would be something around a second on a 60 second course plus a little more given the age of what you're on plus the narrow 255's. If you don't want to deal with the supply and wear of the 71R/Rival-S, maybe look at the RS3 instead?
Cool, thanks. My driving needs some work but I still felt like I got fair times out of these tires the other day. I think I was about a half second off FTP for the day on a course that was pretty tight. If I'm going to keep running AS I'd like to be on the better tires so if I decide to do that, I'll look to get the 71R's or 71R/RivalS combo.
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Originally Posted by TuxZ06
On a minute long course, my estimate is that the re71r's are at least 3 seconds faster. On a sub 30 second practice course, the RS3 v2's (which are slower than the re71r's) were quite a bit faster than the old rivals.
Woah...really? I figured that kind of time delta would be about what semi-fresh Hoosiers might give. If I could have knocked 3 seconds off the other day, I'd have smoked everyone on pax (it was a little more than a minute long course). Granted, it was a local event and I used to run at the the top of the index with those guys even in cars that weren't fully prepped, but still.


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