Worst DE vid ever, Novice+New Z06+ Hoosiers+instructor on Zanax
#41
Le Mans Master
Not sure what California has to do with this? If this is the organization I think it is, I've run with them a bunch of times, race in their Supermiata series, and have instructed with them. Some of the fastest drivers I've seen came from this group. Unfortunately they can't see what's going on inside every car, but I'm sure they heard some complaints after this session and likely dealt with it.
Adam from Speed Ventures said the kicked him out and sent him home after that session.
#42
Le Mans Master
PS. How do we know he was on Hoosier? I don't see any substantiation for that.
#43
Drifting
I was kinda wondering that too, I thought I heard tires squealing, but that could have been a squeal of delight from the driver.
I'll bet the other drivers, especially the Porsche driver were delighted that he was asked to leave. Both of them had their switches set to competitive mode, and one needed to go, maybe both if it was an HPDE.
I'll bet the other drivers, especially the Porsche driver were delighted that he was asked to leave. Both of them had their switches set to competitive mode, and one needed to go, maybe both if it was an HPDE.
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#45
Drifting
One thing though that we need to keep in mind though is that he was not a solo driver. As an instructor the responsability lies with us to make sure that our students drive in a safe and I would also say "productive" manner in which to improve their skill set and learn. That instructor obviously completely lost control of the situation and frankly was derilict in his responsabilities not only to his student but to others on the track too. Any student driving like that should immediately (as in after 1 to 2 laps) be pulled back into the hot pits for "coaching" on how he is expected to drive and a discussion about what is and is not acceptible.
So at the end of the day while we are all obviously discussing the driver, the instructor that allowed the student (that being completely new knew nothing at all about on-track ettiquite or driving) to behave like that for 20+ minutes is equally if not more so at fault imho as he knowingly allowed his sudent to endanger the lives of almost everyone on the track that the guy got near to and did not say a single word. So frankly I think he should be penalized just as severely if not more so than the student! I might be in the minority here but to me there is a huge difference between doing something on track that is wrong and not knowing so and clearly knowing that something is wrong and allowing it to happen time and time again and doing nothing about it.
#46
That is good to hear! The funny thing is after the **** chewing I'm sure he got when they were telling him why he was going home for the day he still went and posted that video most likely thinking that he did nothing wrong and is an awesome driver lol
One thing though that we need to keep in mind though is that he was not a solo driver. As an instructor the responsability lies with us to make sure that our students drive in a safe and I would also say "productive" manner in which to improve their skill set and learn. That instructor obviously completely lost control of the situation and frankly was derilict in his responsabilities not only to his student but to others on the track too. Any student driving like that should immediately (as in after 1 to 2 laps) be pulled back into the hot pits for "coaching" on how he is expected to drive and a discussion about what is and is not acceptible.
So at the end of the day while we are all obviously discussing the driver, the instructor that allowed the student (that being completely new knew nothing at all about on-track ettiquite or driving) to behave like that for 20+ minutes is equally if not more so at fault imho as he knowingly allowed his sudent to endanger the lives of almost everyone on the track that the guy got near to and did not say a single word. So frankly I think he should be penalized just as severely if not more so than the student! I might be in the minority here but to me there is a huge difference between doing something on track that is wrong and not knowing so and clearly knowing that something is wrong and allowing it to happen time and time again and doing nothing about it.
One thing though that we need to keep in mind though is that he was not a solo driver. As an instructor the responsability lies with us to make sure that our students drive in a safe and I would also say "productive" manner in which to improve their skill set and learn. That instructor obviously completely lost control of the situation and frankly was derilict in his responsabilities not only to his student but to others on the track too. Any student driving like that should immediately (as in after 1 to 2 laps) be pulled back into the hot pits for "coaching" on how he is expected to drive and a discussion about what is and is not acceptible.
So at the end of the day while we are all obviously discussing the driver, the instructor that allowed the student (that being completely new knew nothing at all about on-track ettiquite or driving) to behave like that for 20+ minutes is equally if not more so at fault imho as he knowingly allowed his sudent to endanger the lives of almost everyone on the track that the guy got near to and did not say a single word. So frankly I think he should be penalized just as severely if not more so than the student! I might be in the minority here but to me there is a huge difference between doing something on track that is wrong and not knowing so and clearly knowing that something is wrong and allowing it to happen time and time again and doing nothing about it.
You guys are too brave. I'm way too scared of being as a passenger with someone I don't know. I don't even like give rides to people I don't know, honestly.
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Yeah that was pretty amazing how the car stayed pointing in the right direction. And I still can't get over the fact that the C7Z is hitting the exact same trap speeds as my C5Z with a stock LS6 did at that track and every other track I've seen videos from. Seems like the extra 250 hp would be worth something. My C5 in GT2 trim (built LS6 with 70 mm restrictor) was hitting 160 mph at that track. Kind of illustrates why superchargers are such a bad idea for road racing.
Bill
#49
Drifting
So at the end of the day while we are all obviously discussing the driver, the instructor that allowed the student (that being completely new knew nothing at all about on-track ettiquite or driving) to behave like that for 20+ minutes is equally if not more so at fault imho as he knowingly allowed his sudent to endanger the lives of almost everyone on the track that the guy got near to and did not say a single word. So frankly I think he should be penalized just as severely if not more so than the student! I might be in the minority here but to me there is a huge difference between doing something on track that is wrong and not knowing so and clearly knowing that something is wrong and allowing it to happen time and time again and doing nothing about it.
#52
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so at the end of the day while we are all obviously discussing the driver, the instructor that allowed the student (that being completely new knew nothing at all about on-track ettiquite or driving) to behave like that for 20+ minutes is equally if not more so at fault imho as he knowingly allowed his sudent to endanger the lives of almost everyone on the track that the guy got near to and did not say a single word. So frankly i think he should be penalized just as severely if not more so than the student!
#54
Melting Slicks
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As an Instructor, I can tell you this.....I would have parked him with a quickness and not gotten back in the car if I gave him a 2-3 commands he didn't follow.
#55
Maybe aFe can confirm/deny, but I don't think this guy was in actually in a Speedventures run group, but a rented aFe Power run group, at a SV day. See here: https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...dway-free.html
Speedventure's is a good organization, they won't have newbies, with passengers, in an open-passing session like this.
Speedventure's is a good organization, they won't have newbies, with passengers, in an open-passing session like this.
#56
Le Mans Master
He was also running at a Bimmerfest event about three weeks ago.
#57
Melting Slicks
I doubt the supercharger had anything to do with restricting his speeds. He was doing that with his foot. Pretty aggressive in the twisties but out on the oval notice his rpm and throttle position while the P car is driving away from him. The speed was limited by the driver's inability to drive the car properly. He would have been much slower running your car.
Bill
Bill
That wasn't an instructor. It was just his buddy.
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The C7 has a very aggressive A/H. Unless it is dialed into the most friendly track mode, one will find that the throttle modulation is non existent until the steering wheel straightens and lateral G's lessen. I drove one and found the throttle absolutely limp until well past the apex no matter how far down the throttle was pressed. Of course, the owner obviously did not have it in the most extreme track performance mode during the session I drove. When the throttle does respond it is very nice.
#59
Melting Slicks
The C7 has a very aggressive A/H. Unless it is dialed into the most friendly track mode, one will find that the throttle modulation is non existent until the steering wheel straightens and lateral G's lessen. I drove one and found the throttle absolutely limp until well past the apex no matter how far down the throttle was pressed. Of course, the owner obviously did not have it in the most extreme track performance mode during the session I drove. When the throttle does respond it is very nice.
#60
Le Mans Master
I believe it! But what I've been comparing is 100% straight line acceleration where it's simply horsepower. The C7Z seems to fall on it's face when I'd expect it to keep pulling hard. My assumption is that the C7Z is having a lot of power pulled due to heat. I'm sure on a cold day while the engine was still cool it would be much faster down the straights than a C5Z. However, the C5Z will hit 150 mph at that track lap after lap for a full race even on a hot day.
Look at the car go in the infield under the footbridge. He is hitting 5 MPH higher than my car in GT2 trim.