harrydirty

After tracking my '07 c6z for three years with nannies in comp mode, finally tried turning them all off yesterday at Laguna........I feel dumb for not doing it sooner. I realized when I overcooked one corner that recovery was smoother, more intuitive, and less dramatic without the nannies. I assumed that the electronics would save me, but now I realize that all they do is make incidents jerky and puzzling to recover. Mind you, I am not talking about big excursions, just smaller slides and little "oopsies". I also realize that the excessive wear I have noticed on individual pads is probably a by-product of active handling when my driving is less than smooth.

An unexpected bonus of this is now my butt-meter feels more accurate; it was getting confused by AH inputs.

Can't wait for my next track day to re-learn how to drive my car......

SouthernSon

Much better to spar with the track instead of the A/H! The scariest thing in the world for an instructor is seeing a driver fighting against the nannies.

carefulnow

When , I'll turn everything off.

SouthernSon

Wow! That boy's got some racin' to do!

FASTFATBOY

I started in a car with no nannies and got used to it moving around. In the C5 I tried it a couple times with it in comp mode when I go it......couldn't do it, I turn them off.

harrydirty

Wow, that Kenny Brack video had some serious car control skill demonstrations........interesting to hear the motor spool up when traction was not available to the rear tires.

Olitho

Is this you?
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...st-sunday.html

Solofast

True dat.....

When you have the nannies on you can't do subtle throttle application to stick the rear of the car.. And often you're left at corner exit with no power even though you really could use it to accelerate out and have a much faster exit.

The sooner you turn them off the better and faster you'll be.

aaronc7

I've been running with Comp mode on to help in case I got in over my head. It made me feel better at least, the first few times out. But I was getting frustrated with issues similar to posted above (left at corner exit with no power, out of balance sometimes). Sounds like it's time to turn it off.

Moto One

If you'er having trouble getting power on exit of a turn with comp mode on, you'er not unwinding the steering as you apply power, or you are just to heavy with the right foot for the traction conditions available. Going sideways is not fast or good for you tires.

Sorry...

Mark.

harrydirty

Olitho, if you are asking if that off track excursion at the corkscrew was me, no it was not.

I believe that picture was from Sunday's event, I was there Monday......and my c6z is black, not blue. Fortunately, I was able to stay on the racing surface all day.

FASTFATBOY

Yeh, so you may want to check out this vid of Danny Popp in his C5 Z06. He beats the brakes off everyone at Optima on a regular basis.

SouthernSon

I have instructed for several years with the group that Danny attends regularly. I have been in several cars with others that think they can mimic the inputs that Danny has mastered and go fast. They can't. They only upset the car in a very negative way. However, there are a couple of others in the group that do come close. Not only does Danny have extraordinary high speed sensing, he can micro manage the milliseconds of suspension response. He will tell you he grew up in a parking lot with cones. He transferred those skills in a scaled up manner to the road course. Seriously, one has to ride with Danny to understand it.

FASTFATBOY

There are guys who can do it, they are accomplished for sure.

You have no idea where your traction limit is until you go over it a time or two. Tires and traction conditions are constantly changing, if you are running in Comp mode and never activating A/H you are running 7 or 8/10's. I see zero fun or learning in doing that.

In that Z28 it slid and chattered all over the place, if the car wasn't doing that the laps were slow.

Olitho

The active handling modes, at least on the C5, are so intrusive at speed that the car cannot be driven to its full potential. I was not in the room when GM engineers agreed on the tuning spec for active handling, but I have a strong belief that they tuned this for keeping drivers on the street out of trouble. It is not a race tuned system so the moment a driver on track tries to throw the car into a corner using a lot of braking rotation the car gets upset and tries to straighten out. The same mid-corner and on exit when you try to drive with racing level slip angles. The car will start applying brakes and cutting power.

Sure some will say that you want to drive the car fast without getting the AH features activating and that is fast. At the noob level that might be true, but if you are trying to race a C5 system from my personal opinion needs to be thrown out. It is not a Bosch or Motec race grade tuned system. I hear the C7 race mode will actually make an experienced racer faster.

parsonsj

C6 Z06: I found Comp Mode comforting for a bit as I was starting out, but the aids became more and more intrusive. Trail-braking and corner exit was where I noticed it the most. The final straw was at Daytona, when the car freaked out on the high banks.

Turning off all electronic aids made the car feel smoother and more predictable.

I've sold my Z06 and bought a Radical SR8 -- with no ABS. So that's the next frontier for me: learning threshold braking.

STANG KILLA SS

damn that motor wraps quick

also reminds me of a trend ive noticed at autocross. i always run my fastest times when im running the loosest like him, spining and sliding the rears.
to me i think i F'ed up a run, and every time it is my fastest.

SouthernSon

So true. The times I have killed the engine at pit out (clutch pack) and forget to deactivate the A/H upon restart I immediately get reminded at T1!

FASTFATBOY

I was looking for C5 track tests on YouTube(not many out there) and came across this.

61X

WOW, I think I would rather have a wisdom tooth pulled.