Car doesn't feel like it wants to straighten up after a turn...
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Car body feels slow to return to "neutral" after a turn...
Car is a 2004 Z06, stock springs, stock sways and the replaced the shocks with the C6Z shocks around the 90k mile mark (car now has over 103k miles).
The problem I'm having is that when I'm coming out of a turn and straightening up the car, the body feels slow to return to that "neutral" position. I guess you could say it feel's slow to "rebound"
On a "S" curve the issue is more noticeable as the car feels more "upset" as you come through and out of the last part of the curve which I'm guessing is due to the slower rate of body movement as the car is finishing out the turn.
I notice this issue on both slicks and street tires.
Nothing appears broken or damaged and I don't see any evidence of the shocks leaking.
What are your thoughts on where and what I should be looking at or to change?
The problem I'm having is that when I'm coming out of a turn and straightening up the car, the body feels slow to return to that "neutral" position. I guess you could say it feel's slow to "rebound"
On a "S" curve the issue is more noticeable as the car feels more "upset" as you come through and out of the last part of the curve which I'm guessing is due to the slower rate of body movement as the car is finishing out the turn.
I notice this issue on both slicks and street tires.
Nothing appears broken or damaged and I don't see any evidence of the shocks leaking.
What are your thoughts on where and what I should be looking at or to change?
Last edited by MongoZ06; 07-21-2016 at 08:34 PM. Reason: Clarified one of my remarks
#2
Safety Car
I'VE heard before that the C6Z shocks aren't a perfect match to the C5, sounds like you're proving that right. Vendors will say anything to sell their goods. Also, weight transfer =/= body movement.
#3
Melting Slicks
Those shocks don't have that much rebound to keep the car tied down. I run my Koni's with much more rebound and in slaloms it's just fine. Seems like something else is going on. Try weaving the car back and forth and see what happens.
#5
Drifting
Take a look at your front A-arm bushing, I had a similar problem when the upper A-arm move forward, and the lower move back. This screwed the caster up big time.
Mark.
Mark.
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In terms of steering the car turns without issue and re-centers without issue. The car doesn't "pull" while I'm going around the track and I have not seen any changes in my alignment after any of the track events.
The bushings were replaced with the Pfadt Polys a few years ago and everything still looks pretty good.
The bushings were replaced with the Pfadt Polys a few years ago and everything still looks pretty good.
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Car is a 2004 Z06, stock springs, stock sways and the replaced the shocks with the C6Z shocks around the 90k mile mark (car now has over 103k miles).
The problem I'm having is that when I'm coming out of a turn and trying to straighten up the car the body is slow to return to say that "neutral" position. I guess you could say it feel's slow to "rebound"
On a "S" curve the issue is more noticeable as the car feels more "upset" as you come through and out of the last part of the curve which I'm guessing is due to the slower rate of body movement as the car is finishing out the turn.
I notice this issue on both slicks and street tires.
Nothing appears broken or damaged and I don't see any evidence of the shocks leaking.
What are your thoughts on where and what I should be looking at or to change?
The problem I'm having is that when I'm coming out of a turn and trying to straighten up the car the body is slow to return to say that "neutral" position. I guess you could say it feel's slow to "rebound"
On a "S" curve the issue is more noticeable as the car feels more "upset" as you come through and out of the last part of the curve which I'm guessing is due to the slower rate of body movement as the car is finishing out the turn.
I notice this issue on both slicks and street tires.
Nothing appears broken or damaged and I don't see any evidence of the shocks leaking.
What are your thoughts on where and what I should be looking at or to change?
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I'm surprised no one has asked, but what are your current alignment specs? Caster would certainly make the car feel numb if it doesn't have enough in it.
Everyone seems to jump on the shock thing first, what would make you think it is a shock issue?
Everyone seems to jump on the shock thing first, what would make you think it is a shock issue?
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A few questions to help diagnose.
What are your current alignment stats? A small amount of toe in on your rear wheels should help.
Do you have a camber kit?
If not, have you slid / spun since your last alignment? That will significantly change your alignment settings with stock gear.
What anti-roll bars are you running? If they are stock the car will tend to push a bit.
Do you have stock bushings? They are soft and allow the alignment to shift through a corner. Poly bushings help a lot, but make the car un-streetable (noisy and very stiff).
What are your current alignment stats? A small amount of toe in on your rear wheels should help.
Do you have a camber kit?
If not, have you slid / spun since your last alignment? That will significantly change your alignment settings with stock gear.
What anti-roll bars are you running? If they are stock the car will tend to push a bit.
Do you have stock bushings? They are soft and allow the alignment to shift through a corner. Poly bushings help a lot, but make the car un-streetable (noisy and very stiff).
Last edited by SunnydayDILYSI; 07-20-2016 at 07:17 PM.
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You hit post as I was typing in that exact question!
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Melting Slicks
The problem I'm having is that when I'm coming out of a turn and trying to straighten up the car the body is slow to return to say that "neutral" position. I guess you could say it feel's slow to "rebound"
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Just to reiterate my previous posts regarding the car:
Car is a 2004 Z06
Stock Sway bars, Stock springs, replaced the stock shocks with C6Z shocks, Pfadt Poly bushings.
Alignment is currently .7 degrees camber on the front, .5 degrees camber on the rear, 0 toe both front and back and 6.5 degrees caster
When I've run slicks I max out the camber at both front and rear but make sure both sides are equal, caster stays at 6.5 degrees and toe has been 0. As mentioned before I still feel this same effect when running slicks.
I check my alignment before and after track events and have not seen any changes so everything seems to be holding fairly well so far
I don't feel any understeer or oversteer until I get the (street) tires a little too hot, everything regarding grip and steering feels pretty good up until that point.
Car is a 2004 Z06
Stock Sway bars, Stock springs, replaced the stock shocks with C6Z shocks, Pfadt Poly bushings.
Alignment is currently .7 degrees camber on the front, .5 degrees camber on the rear, 0 toe both front and back and 6.5 degrees caster
When I've run slicks I max out the camber at both front and rear but make sure both sides are equal, caster stays at 6.5 degrees and toe has been 0. As mentioned before I still feel this same effect when running slicks.
I check my alignment before and after track events and have not seen any changes so everything seems to be holding fairly well so far
I don't feel any understeer or oversteer until I get the (street) tires a little too hot, everything regarding grip and steering feels pretty good up until that point.
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If you are saying it is still in a lean over condition....that to me is something different.
Sorry just would have worded it a little differently because it is saying something different to me.
Last edited by Anthony @ LGMotorsports; 07-21-2016 at 11:00 AM.
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Melting Slicks
When a driver would tell me the car won't straighten out...to me that is the wheel isn't coming back on center.
If you are saying it is still in a lean over condition....that to me is something different.
Sorry just would have worded it a little differently because it is saying something different to me.
If you are saying it is still in a lean over condition....that to me is something different.
Sorry just would have worded it a little differently because it is saying something different to me.
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Post back when you find the issue.