1965FI

What is the rocker arm torque spec for a factory 327/375hp?

ghostrider20

Umm, if you are talking about the rocker arm nuts there is no "torque spec" as per say, as they are only tightened far enough to produce the required "Lash" or clearance between the valve stem and rocker arm nose.

Do you need the "Lash Specs" ?

ghostrider20

Complements of SWCDUKE and JOHNZ

"30-30" AND OTHER OEM SB SOLID LIFTER CAM VALVE ADJUSTMENT
(Revised 12/15/2005)
By John Hinckley and Duke Williams

OREDER OR OPERATION

#1 TDC 8 Exhaust / 2 Intake
90 deg. 4 Exhaust / 1 Intake
180 deg. 3 Exhaust / 8 Intake
270 deg. 6 Exhaust / 4 Intake
0 5 Exhaust / 3 Intake
90 deg. 7 Exhaust / 6 Intake
180 deg. 2 Exhaust / 5 Intake
270 deg. 1 Exhaust / 7 Intake

Duntov cam (283) .010”/.015”
Duntov cam (327) .008”/.016”
30-30 cam (327/350).026”/.026” MAX .023"/.023"
LT-1 cam (327/350).021”/.026” MAX .016” / .023”

The traditional method of adjusting valves one or more cylinders at a time with each cylinder at TDC is fine for hydraulics and for most solid-lifter cams, but NOT for the factory "30-30" solid-lifter cam used in '64-'65 L-76 365 HP and L-84 375 HP (FI) Corvette engines (and in '67-'69 Camaro 302/290 Z/28 engines); this cam has VERY long clearance ramps that are .017" high, and at TDC for any cylinder, both the intake and exhaust valve for that cylinder are still on their ramps, NOT on the cam's base circle, which is why the Service Manual for all cars so equipped says specifically to set them "hot and running".

There is, however, a better way to adjust the valves with a "30-30" - you can set them "cold and not running" by setting the intakes at 90 degrees ATDC and the exhausts at 90 degrees BTDC - so the lifters are on the base circle, not on the clearance ramps. This has been confirmed with cam lift/crank-angle diagrams and analysis of the GM drawing lobe data, results in a nice mechanical "singing" sound, no "clacking", it runs better, sounds better, idle is more stable, and throttle response is improved.

Set them cold at .023"/.023". The actual measured (stamped rocker arm) ratio at the lash points is actually about 1.37:1 (not the design 1.5:1, which is a “theoretical” number), so the clearance ramp, which is exactly .017" high on the lobe, is all taken up at .02329" clearance; .030" clearance with the valve closed is too loose - the ramp ends/begins before the .030"clearance is taken up, resulting in the valve being lifted off and returned to the seat at greater than ramp velocity. This will contribute to valve seat recession, and can cause valve bounce at the seats at high revs - it will also be noisy.


You can adjust two valves at each 90-degree rotation point, starting at #1 TDC, turning the crank 90 degrees at a time seven times (measure and mark your balancer first at 90-degree intervals from TDC). Removing the plugs simplifies rotating the crank, but you were going to change them anyway, right? Proceed as follows:

TDC #1 - 8E, 2I
90 deg. - 4E, 1I
180 deg. - 3E, 8I
270 deg. - 6E, 4I
0 - 5E, 3I
90 deg. - 7E, 6I
180 deg. - 2E, 5I
270 deg. - 1E, 7I

Duntov cam (283) .010”/.015”
Duntov cam (327) .008”/.016”
30-30 cam .026”/.026”
LT-1 cam .021”/.026”

Note: Clearances are listed inlet/exhaust.


Start at TDC #1, then rotate 90 degrees at a time, setting at .023" cold. If you like, you can then go back after you're done to each cylinder's TDC position and check clearance on that cylinder's two valves, and you'll find that they've closed up to approximately.021", indicating that both valves are still on the ramps at TDC, as I pointed out in the beginning.

Trivia - the point of max inlet lift on the "30-30" cam is at 110 degrees ATDC and 118 degrees BTDC on the exhaust side, so the lobe separation angle is 114 degrees (angle between points of max lift, not the geometric center of the lobe - the lobes on the "30-30" cam are asymmetrical).

Addendum (May 19, 2003), Lash settings revised 12-14-2005

This procedure should also be used for the LT-1 cam. The exhaust is “on the ramp” at TDC. The inlet is not, but just barely. With the Duntov cam this indexing procedure may be used, or both valves may be set with the cylinder at TDC of the compression stroke, or all 16 valves may be adjusted at TDC #1 and TDC #6 as outlined in the 1963 Corvette Shop Manual. The Duntov cam has shorter clearance ramps than the 30-30 or LT-1 cam.

This indexing procedure on page 1 may be used with ANY cam to assure that the lobe is on the base circle, and MUST be used for cams with very long clearance ramps.

The following inlet/exhaust valve clearances are recommended with the engine cold and not running. The difference between “hot” (engine idle speed) and cold clearance on a cast iron pushrod engine is negligible, so clearances can be set cold, which is more convenient. These clearances are computed by multiplying the height of the clearance ramp (which was determined from analysis of the GM drawings that list lobe data to five decimal places every cam degree) by the 1.37:1 measured lash point rocker ratio. The computed number is then rounded down. The factory clearances are derived from multiplying the maximum height of the ramp above the base circle by 1.5, except the 30-30 cam. The clearances of .025"/.025" listed on the drawing were derived from this formula, but the rationale of the published .030"/.030" is unknown. It is speculated that the higher clearance was specified to solve idle stability problems on FI engines as the larger clearance decreases effective duration slightly, but is definitely tougher on the valvetrain. Idle speed on 30-30 cam FI engines should be set at whatever RPM is required to achieve stability, and this will probably be in the range of 1000-1200

When running hard, such as sustained WOT, the exhaust valve head will heat up considerably. About 80 percent of exhaust valve cooling is through the seat, but the stem temperature will also increase, which will cause the stem to grow and decrease running clearance. This is why exhaust clearance ramps are typically higher than inlet ramps – to allow for more stem growth and maintain acceptable running clearance to ensure the valves fully seat. Since the inlet valve is cooled with every fresh intake charge, its temperature and clearance will remain more consistent over the entire engine operating spectrum.

The rocker arm nut should be tightened until a light drag is felt on the feeler of the same thickness as the recommended clearance. Then the clearance may be verified by inserting a .001” larger gage, and if it does not go the clearance is between the two gages, which is just right. Note that the inlet clearance specification for the 1963 Corvette was tightened to .008” to give a bit more effective duration. This does not need to be “factored” anymore. We recommend this tighter clearance for all 327s, and it is optional for 283s for a little more top end power though the effect may not be noticeable. Normal engine service will usually result in slight loosening of the clearance, and Chevrolet service recommendations from the sixties call out a lash check every 12,000 miles as part of a normal tuneup.

MikeM

I've never seen a rundown torque spec published for that nut. I suspect a new nut would be on the order of 12-15 ft/lbs.

Go buy a new nut and compare the rundown torque with the ones you have in question. There's a very noticable difference between a new nut and one that has been run on/off the stud a few times.

1965FI

Can you walk me through a simplified step by step on how to adjust my valves with the proper lash which I gathered is .023-.026.

Do I need to take out all the spark plugs?
The layout of the cylinder #'s and firing order
Finding top dead center
moving from one cylinder to the other.

muncieman

Hmmm, if you have never done this I think you meed to seek out a pro to show you the first time how this is done, it's not rocket science but done wrong it will cause you some grief.


Standing looking at your motor from the front, the right bank is 1, 3, 5, 7 the left bank is 2, 4, 6, 8.

Firing order is 1, 8, 4, 3, 6, 5, 7, 2.

TDC, couple of ways but I use the finger in the plug hole to tell when #1 is on a compression stroke.

Taking the plugs out makes it easier to turn the motor over by hand, but it can be done without plug removal.

Joel 67

It is not a very difficult job, but the first time requires a bit of understanding on your part that may not be there. Re-read the article from Duke and JohnZ. That is the procedure you will want to follow if you have a 65 L84 that is basically stock. If the article does not make sense to you, then I suggest you enlist a friend who has experience with setting lash and have them help you over an afternoon.

I'm not a '65 guy, but I've never been able to get the left (driver's side) valve cover off without taking the air meter off the fuel injection unit on my '62. That isn't a hard job but it is one additional step to consider.

Good luck.
Joel

Joel 67

Also, you did not ask this but I think you will eventually want to know this. Looking a cylinder head with the valve cover removed, the valve stems you'll see are in this order front to back: exhaust 1, inlet 1, inlet 3, exhaust 3, exhaust 5, inlet 5, inlet 7, exhaust 7. Same sequence for the passenger side except for cylinder numbers (2, 4, 6, and 8 respectively).

MikeM

If you have a 327/375 engine with the FI on it, use the factory recommended valve setting of .030/.030.

Set the intake lash when the exhaust valve starts to open. Set the exhaust when the intake is half open.

I set the valves one cylinder at a time. I get dizzy trying to keep track of that other method.