1snake

This is the NCRS Judging standard -

"Cars are to be judged to the standard of vehicle appearance, and as equipped, at the time and point of final assembly by the Chevrolet Motor Division of General Motors Corporation. Presentation for judging is to be in the condition normally associated with that of a Corvette which has undergone the then current standard Chevrolet Dealer New Car Preparation for delivery to the purchaser, exclusive of any dealer or purchaser inspired addition, deletions or changes".

NOM61

Purists! Sheesh!

Larry N. Johnson

Fellow 6-Lighter Jim,

What about a GM design inspired addition?
(i.e., not dealer or purchaser inspired.)

Larry N. Johnson

What if one of these many 6 tail light coupes shows up at an NCRS event?

They were GM design inspired.
Where did they all come from?
We know the factory did a few.
Who knows if these were factory done or not?
Not on the option sheet, but GM inspired this mod for sure.

vetrod62

The NCRS wants the cars to be as GM never made cars with 6 tail lights. Many dealers sold them as new, especially in California. In fact it was called the California option in the rest of the country. And many were put in afterward.

A lot of those on this forum do not consider the NCRS as the final say on all things corvette. Some of us, myself as a 60s racer, feel that the true corvette history as street and track racers should be preserved.

Larry N. Johnson

Except for Exec car for Chevy Boss Knudsen's wife

JohnZ

That car, like many other S.O. cars, was modified at GM Styling; it didn't leave St. Louis that way. The judging standard describes the car as it left St. Louis, plus normal dealer prep. That leaves out cars modified at GM Styling or at Herbie's Custom Shop.

Donny Brass

I am pretty sure the feds mandated 2 bulbs for the brake lights in 67, and since GE was right down the street and had plenty of refridgerator lamp assemblies laying around............

Poorhousenext

John,

Then it would appear that Bob Wingates 1967 FSO car is the one C2 that NCRS would judge correct for 6 taillights.

http://www.67fso.com/

On top of that, special paint, no front bumpers installed, American Mags, Goodyear Stickers, etc, or is there proof that those changes were done elsewhere after leaving St Louis?

Is the title of picture below a lie and needs to be corrected by removing "as delivered from St. Louis"?

The car as delivered from St. Louis. Old picture taken day before Thanksgiving 1966



How does the NCRS treat/recognize the rare styling change cars that were sold to public new or in case of Executive cars used?

Jere

JohnZ

Bob Radke, the current owner, has huge binders full of photos and documentation on the ex-Wingate car, but not the original F&SO letter describing exactly what was to be installed at St. Louis; the tank sticker has the F&SO number, but the letter that goes with it has never been found, so there's no way to document exactly which parts were or were not installed at St. Louis.

NCRS has a special category for these special cars with unique histories - the American Heritage Award, which this car achieved at the 2002 National Convention at Monterey in 2002, along with the Jim Jeffords "Purple People-Eater" and Kevin MacKay's '66 Penske L-88. Several cars qualify for this award every year.

sub006

I say the '64 was gonna be made markedly cooler than the '63 with two extra lights, but they used the tooling money to remove the window split instead.

MY original plan would have caused '64-'67 split-window coupes with six tail lights. How much cooler to have your big block '67 hood stinger stripe continue unbroken from the top of the windshield to the tip of the boat-tail!

Fixing the blind spot would have been easy with two small mirrors side by side, glued to the inside of the windshield a few inches apart. Even in '63, SWC owners were doing this by buying a pair of stock Avanti mirrors from the local Studebaker dealer's parts department. AFAIK Avantis had the very first factory-installed "glued to the windshield glass" inside rearview mirror. Or was it Thunderbird?

After years of six-tail light excitement, the C3 and later series would HAVE to have come with six tail lights too! You see, following only three years of four round tail lights from '61 through '63, six had become an "Impala AND Corvette trademark".

91DRM

Many? Looks like three to me.

dejavu67

Dealer option=$100


With the reflection, you'll see twelve tails!

Poorhousenext

Herbie's Custom Shop option= $3000.00

Revette

My '66 has had the six tail light setup since it was new too. With the original paint
I have never had the desire to change it. Besides, I have gotten very used to the
way it looks after owning it for 40+ years. When the T-bird had the articulated
directionals I had toyed with installing the electrics to do that with the coupe but
never got around to it.

sub006

I'd say no to the mags, race tires and stickers. MAYBE the stinger stripe extended over the roof was added before shipment.

And it's possible the two extra lights were added "out back" of the St. Louis plant. But since the dealer had been converting four-light cars into sixes for a couple of years, I'd think it was done after delivery like the others in the picture.

Front bumpers COULD have been left off. If the fender holes filled under the factory paint, I'd tend to believe it. Would have taken some time to fill the holes and touch up brand-new for '67 model year Goodwood Green paint that early (November 1966). I worked for a Chevy dealer around that time and it could be tough to get new-model replacement parts and materials through the GMPD pipeline for the first few months.

But looking closely at the Thanksgiving picture, it appears that chromed carriage bolts are in the bumper holes. Wingate's still around, someone needs to ask him about the possible "factory" mods

Larry N. Johnson

dejavu67

You are 6-lighter Club membership number 6!
Congrats!

Welcome to the light side.

Larry N. Johnson

Revette,

You are 6-lighter Club membership number 7!
Congrats!

Welcome to the light side.

LNJ

OC-1

Very popular way back when and way beyond three round lights.

dejavu67

BY THE WAY MY TAILS ARE SEQUENCIAL

FOUND THIS OLD FORUM THREAD..CHECK IT OUT!!!

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-a...-lights-3.html