AO Smith vs St Louis bodies
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (nolandadams@d-web.com)
Noland,
Welcome to the Forum,..we're all lucky to have a definitive knowledgeable resource like you on board,.I just recently purchased a copy of Volume 2 63-67 Guide To Technical Restoration,.Paid $80 + and probably contributed a little to your retirement fund,...:-) but I must say it has been worth every penny in helping me put my '63 back together. I will among with many others look forward to hearing more from you here on the CF, C1 & C2 'Vettes Tom
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Welcome to the Forum,..we're all lucky to have a definitive knowledgeable resource like you on board,.I just recently purchased a copy of Volume 2 63-67 Guide To Technical Restoration,.Paid $80 + and probably contributed a little to your retirement fund,...:-) but I must say it has been worth every penny in helping me put my '63 back together. I will among with many others look forward to hearing more from you here on the CF, C1 & C2 'Vettes Tom
Save The Wave!!! :chevy
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (Split Sixty Three)
Welcome Noland. Great to have you here. Shame on anyone who owns a 53-67 Corvette and does not own either your 53-62 or 63-67 book. Both are truly the "bibles" for their respective generation of Corvette. Chuck
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (Chuck Gongloff)
Hi, Noland - welcome aboard! After three C1 and three C2 body-off restorations, I have both of your Restoration books (kinda dog-eared by now), and all five volumes of your "American Legends" series too - great stuff!
JohnZ (John Hinckley)
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (JohnZ)
Noland, it's all your fault ! Zora made these silly cars and you have historically showed us all how it was done.
Remember Oakland and San Mateo in 76and 80? Boy a lot of knowledge since those days. Have fun with this forum. A great bunch of people. And I learn something new every time I visit.
Jim
Remember Oakland and San Mateo in 76and 80? Boy a lot of knowledge since those days. Have fun with this forum. A great bunch of people. And I learn something new every time I visit.
Jim
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (jimgessner)
I have owned three 67 big blocks and all are St. Louis bodies. The stripe was the issue in 67 and I have always understood that only very early 67 big blocks could be A.O. Smith cars. Noland came to look at a car I had for sale when I lived in Sacramento. Signed my book in my garage. I am back in Austin, TX now.
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (L71rat)
L71,It would have to be a very low serial numbered car to be consistant with what we know today. My S-Bodied 427 is Ser. NO. 23XX...Mid Oct production.
Dave
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (Dave's '67)
I think the A.O. Smith big block would have to stand on its own integrity. I would hope that it has some paperwork or a good owner history. I would prefer an unrestored car and I would look real hard at the stamp. Judging of the car would help. In a judging seminar at Galveston last year this topic came up while we were looking at an original 67 big block. Not very many people are aware of the fact that St. Louis was the only source for big block bodies in 67.
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (L71rat)
If I had the opportunity to examine a 1967 big block with an AO Smith body I would approach it with an open mind. Of course if it's an early '67 (up to serial number 1,100 or so) it could have either body.
After the agreement was reached to apply the hood stripe at St. Louis, we would expect to see all '67s with 427s with "S" bodies. But- lets imagine a possibility- while checking the inventory of body panels at the AO Smith body assembly plant, there is enough material to assemble 3 or 4 427 front ends. This requires not only the hood, but the correct inner fender panels with provisions for mounting the hood support. The 327's hood support was on the right, the 437's hood support was on the left side.
The first thing was that AO Smith would probably do is to contact the engineers at the St Louis assembly plant. SInce AO Smith did not have the hood stripe masks, could St. Louis install the hood stripe?
Answer: Yes. We'll get back to you with the body type, exterior/interior colors and the options. Remember, such an option as power windows affects the center console, wiring harness, and doors and door panels.
Next, the details are finalized, the AO Smith 427 body is built and painted and shipped to St. Louis, where the hood stripe is installed.
After this AO Smith 427 body was successfully completed, the detailed instructions for the next body were sent to AO Smith. And the 427 body assembly process continued until all the parts were used up.
Now, all this is conjecture on my part, but it's based on the way the assembly plant procedures unfold as Corvettes were built.
So, if I were to examine a 1967 427 with an AO Smith body, I would check it out carefully and throughly. It is possible that it is an original car as presented.
-Noland Adams
After the agreement was reached to apply the hood stripe at St. Louis, we would expect to see all '67s with 427s with "S" bodies. But- lets imagine a possibility- while checking the inventory of body panels at the AO Smith body assembly plant, there is enough material to assemble 3 or 4 427 front ends. This requires not only the hood, but the correct inner fender panels with provisions for mounting the hood support. The 327's hood support was on the right, the 437's hood support was on the left side.
The first thing was that AO Smith would probably do is to contact the engineers at the St Louis assembly plant. SInce AO Smith did not have the hood stripe masks, could St. Louis install the hood stripe?
Answer: Yes. We'll get back to you with the body type, exterior/interior colors and the options. Remember, such an option as power windows affects the center console, wiring harness, and doors and door panels.
Next, the details are finalized, the AO Smith 427 body is built and painted and shipped to St. Louis, where the hood stripe is installed.
After this AO Smith 427 body was successfully completed, the detailed instructions for the next body were sent to AO Smith. And the 427 body assembly process continued until all the parts were used up.
Now, all this is conjecture on my part, but it's based on the way the assembly plant procedures unfold as Corvettes were built.
So, if I were to examine a 1967 427 with an AO Smith body, I would check it out carefully and throughly. It is possible that it is an original car as presented.
-Noland Adams
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (nolandadams@d-web.com)
The 327's hood support was on the right, the 437's hood support was on the left side.
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (67HEAVEN)
I think it had to do with the wide 427 brass radiator. There was no room on the passanger side underhood area for the hood support with the big radiator of the big block. Sound right Noland??
Jim
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Re: AO Smith vs St Louis bodies (67HEAVEN)
Noland, I agree with your assesment, except the fact that the innerfenders are different. Yes the hood support is on the other side, but for 66 and 67 the innerfender panels are the same as the SB except that the mounting bracket is moved to the other side. There are provisions for the support on both innerfenders. It would be very easy to move the bracket.
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My 1967 Corvette Rally Red Convertible was ordered through Curhan Chevrolet Randolph Massachusetts in July of 1966 by me and my father.
The Corvette was a GM class A discount Corvette and Corvette was delivered to the dealership before announcement day 09/29/1966.
All I could do is look at Corvette in rear garage at dealership until 09/29/1966.
Originally wanted side dual exhaust (N14) but dealer said I couldn't get inspection sticker in Massachusetts. However dealer did buy into (N11) off road service exhaust)
I have the original bill of sale and protect 0 plate after all of these years.
My Corvette is St Louis built body.
Dow Smith wasn't allowed to build big block 1967 Corvette's because they messed up the hood stripe. Again, my Corvette body was built by St Louis. When looking at the hood stripe on this brand new car, you could see Rally Red paint through the black stripe (What a joke)
Dealer repainted stripe under new car warranty.
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If only Noland would have stayed on the forum, it looks like no posts since 2002. Imagine the wealth of information we could have received. "sigh"
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