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Old 12-08-2011, 07:26 AM
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How can I tell if a particuliar 350 engine will accept the GM FI? Does the block matter or just the type of heads. As you can tell I know nothing about it. The car I am looking at has a new crate 350 with 2 fours and I would want to convert to FI.

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Originally Posted by hokie04
How can I tell if a particuliar 350 engine will accept the GM FI? Does the block matter or just the type of heads. As you can tell I know nothing about it. The car I am looking at has a new crate 350 with 2 fours and I would want to convert to FI.

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What type of FI????? The early Rochester (57-65), Cross fire, TPI, throttle body???
Also, what version, or style, of 350 do you have?

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What type of FI????? The early Rochester (57-65), Cross fire, TPI, throttle body???
Also, what version, or style, of 350 do you have?

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Tom,

Let me see if I can find out what type of 350 crate engine this is in the car. I was wanting the type of FI that you would get from GM with one of their 350 crate engine options at GM Performance.
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Then that would be a TPI (Tuned Port Inj) unit.
The Gen 1 bolt hole configuration on the intake side of the heads changed in 86 (?). Thus, the type of manifold bolt hole setup is also different.
And then there are the LS engines which are also different.

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Originally Posted by DZAUTO
Then that would be a TPI (Tuned Port Inj) unit.
The Gen 1 bolt hole configuration on the intake side of the heads changed in 86 (?). Thus, the type of manifold bolt hole setup is also different
Not entirely correct. The 87-91 Corvette aluminum L98 TPI heads used the centerbolt valve covers, but they had the same intake bolt pattern as the 55-86 small blocks. Those heads are also used on the ZZ4 crate engine, so if you have a ZZ4, any early small block intake will bolt on.
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Originally Posted by hokie04
I was wanting the type of FI that you would get from GM with one of their 350 crate engine options at GM Performance.

The GM performance parts small block FI unit is called a Ram Jet. It was never used on a production vehicle, only sold though GM performance parts. You can buy a Ram Jet 350 from GMPP with that intake on it.
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Guess it doesn't matter now our talks broke down. Thanks for the replies.
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Originally Posted by ZBRA
The GM performance parts small block FI unit is called a Ram Jet. It was never used on a production vehicle, only sold though GM performance parts. You can buy a Ram Jet 350 from GMPP with that intake on it.
...and the current, GMPP Ram Jet is compatible only with Vortec style heads.
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...and the current, GMPP Ram Jet is compatible only with Vortec style heads.
Let me ask you a dumb question. Can you take any 327 and install Vortec heads and then it will accept the GMPP Ram Jet? Or will the heads only fit certain blocks?
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Originally Posted by hokie04
Let me ask you a dumb question. Can you take any 327 and install Vortec heads and then it will accept the GMPP Ram Jet? Or will the heads only fit certain blocks?
Yes they will fit, although I have some reservations about my setup with them (11-1 domed pistons). I think the vortecs and in particular the fast burn heads are designed to use flat tops, and I don't know how efficient they would be, or if it would require some clearincing in the chamber. Arizona Speed and Marine does the Ram Jet set up with the air meter on the side ala the early Rochester, and I think you can even use the air filter setup to make it look very similar. If they made it to fit the early style heads I'd change in a second.

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Originally Posted by vettsplit 63
Yes they will fit, although I have some reservations about my setup with them (11-1 domed pistons). I think the vortecs and in particular the fast burn heads are designed to use flat tops, and I don't know how efficient they would be, or if it would require some clearincing in the chamber. Arizona Speed and Marine does the Ram Jet set up with the air meter on the side ala the early Rochester, and I think you can even use the air filter setup to make it look very similar. If they made it to fit the early style heads I'd change in a second.

By the way- prayers go out to the Officer killed at Va. Tech yesterday.
Thanks for your prayers it has been a rough time here is Blacksburg since 2007 and yesterday made us all numb. I was driving home yesterday and I was passed by dozens of police cars and knew something bad had happened. It goes to show we never know what the day will bring. The police officer just made a routine traffic stop on campus. I feel for his wife and five children.
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Another (potential) issue with the Vortec heads is that they sit higher than the old ones do, so hood clearance needs to be checked. I know that people have successfully put Ram Jet 350s into C1s, but I don't believe it's a "gimme" that it will fit with stock motor and trans mounts in all cases. A manifold and carb setup on Vortec heads needs to be similarly checked.

On the exhaust side, stock manifolds apparently will bolt up, but the manifolds may be raised a bit too. Ports may also mismatch to some degree, which might be correctable by grinding the manifold. I have been told (don't know myself) that "Fast Burn" heads have exhaust ports that are too big to match well with stock ram horn manifolds.

On the Arizona Speed version of the Ram Jet, it looks like they beveled the forward edge of the plenum for hood clearance. I think that unit goes for something like $4K, but it sure does look cool:

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The regular Ram Jet will not clear. A friend of mine got I believe the first one from Arizona Speed and Marine for a C2 and worked with them to sort it out.
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Have a Ram jet 350 in my '66. Love it. You will need to go to a big block hood for clearance
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Somewhere right here in the past, there was someone who combined the old Rochester FI setup with modern day electronic FI/nozzles.
It LOOKED like an early FI unit, but had the hi-tech features of modern day functions. Pretty much the best of both worlds. The owner posted pictures, but UNFORTUNATELY I didn't copy/save them. DUH!

So, if you're the owner of said FI system, would you be kind enough to post some information and pictures again.

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I think it looks good with Tuned Port Injecton

Tuned Port Injection


Ram Jet
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Well I was going to post some pictures of my Ram jet 350 here but am too dumb to figure out how to do it. anyway it's a great engine

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