Jay1

Regarding lot S194 that rolled across the Mecum Kissimmeeblock this past Saturday evening.

I have reached out to the first and second owners as well as Mecum, president of NCRS, Proteam, the restorer of the vehicle and this forum.

Somebody from NCRS needs to contact me right away so we can discuss methods and procedures of verification.

Also, Noland Adams who has been contacted on more than 1 occasion to discuss how he came to the false conclusion that the car had aluminum heads needs to contact me. So far most everyone has decided to blow me off.

This is not fair to people purchasing this car or to the collector car industry as a whole. Please contact me.

Jason
As the future generation of supporters of the collector car industry, I

hedgehead

Jay1

You will need more than 1 popcorn.

Somebody's got some serious splainin to do.

Jason

wmf62

Jason
i wish you luck, but you may be pizzing into the wind... considering the level of the individuals you have tried to contact, some have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo...
Bill

jimh_1962

Will two popcorns work?




What is the deal? Did you buy the car or sell the car?

JohnZ

What's the big deal? It's an established fact that no "CZ" (315hp) engines were delivered to retail customers. Auction cars are misrepresented by the consignors all the time.

provette67

were you the buyer or the seller?

jimh_1962

exactly.

Jay1

I've got the facts on my side. If there needs to be reform in certain organizations, or we need to establish a precedent for the industry, I will see it through to the end.

I am the son of the second owner. I was sitting in my chair watching the Mecum auction Saturday night eating popcorn and I saw 1 of 2 known examples of aluminum head 60 fuelies roll across the block.

I really enjoy the collector car industry and feel that if I don't make a stand that this kind of b.s. Will proliferate as time goes on and it's not fair to anyone.

I understand this Noland Adams guy was contacted by several previous owners and would never get back with anyone to splain how he reached his conclusion.

1 more popcorn. It's cheap and you can never have enough.

Jason

Jason

Jay1

Fraud is a big deal. Pedaling phony cars is a big deal. Your replying to my thread in that way is a big deal.

Jason

provette67

so in your first post where you stated" I have reached out to the first and second owners" you reached out to your parent? Are you of the opinion that it brought more money because it was said to have aluminum heads?

provette67

here is the description listed in Mecums catalog

DESCRIPTION
Students of Corvette history will recognize this 1960 Corvette, which was featured in Noland Adams’ book Corvette: American Legend 1958-1960 as one of two prototypes built that year with the 283/315 HP fuel injected V-8. A Duntov Award winner in 2007 and one of the most famous of the so-called “Big Brake” cars, this Roman Red rocket retains its entire original driveline, including its 4-speed manual and Positraction rear end, and comes with full owner documentation right back to the original selling dealer. And how is this for originality: the brake air scoops are still stored in their original burlap shipping bag.


HIGHLIGHTS

- Original engine, transmission and rear
- Fuel injected 283/315 HP engine
- RPO 687 heavy-duty brakes
- 4-Speed transmission
- Featured in Noland Adams book as one of the two 315 HP prototype cars built in 1960
- Documented with owner history back to original dealer
- Duntov award winner in 2007
- Roman Red with Black interior
- Air scoops still in burlap sack



Information found on the website is presented as advance information for the auction lot. Photos, materials for videos, descriptions and other information are provided by the consignor/seller and is deemed reliable, but Mecum Auction does not verify, warrant or guarantee this information. The lot and information presented at auction on the auction block supersedes any previous descriptions or information. Mecum is not responsible for information that may be changed or updated prior to the auction. The decision to purchase should be based solely on the buyers personal inspection of the lot at the auction site prior to the auction.

Vega$Vette

Explaining to whom?

If you don't have a horse in this race then what's the diff unless you are the self appointed auction police?

Every buyer is advised to inspect and research the facts on their own before bidding.

corvette67jim

you mean if I keep telling her it is actually a foot long it will become fact

DucatiDon

I have come to the conclusion that the collector car industry doesnt really care if a car is truly what it says it is....only that it appears to be. (or that someone spent a ton of cash to make it resemble one) Who can prove it anyway at this point....the preponderance of the evidence is never absolute.

Buyer beware is the name of the game.

Jay1

Hmm.. Let's see if I can explain this a little differently.

This particular car has slipped through the cracks. The misrepresentation occurred before the Mecum auction. I'm not pointing fingers at Mecum.

When something with this supposed history rolls across the block for the whole world to see, with a front license plate with giant letters that say NCRS, a certain trust is established. The NCRS ends up looking like they were involved in the deception by allowing their name to be displayed on the vehicle. Anyone can say whatever they want about any particular object. There is no law against that. It's also ok to display NCRS logo wherever you want. I'm saying neither of these things should be allowed. There needs to be legislation and safeguards adopted that will make the collector car industry as a whole more appealing and reputable for future generations.

In regard to this car in the last hour we have narrowed it down to who misrepresented the vehicle.

Noland Adams had no right to publish bogus info based on 1 goofus letter from a then current owner. He should explain why he refuses to answer requests from multiple owners across decades of time.

The NCRS is a prestigious organization and has tremendous integrity. They need to number one get in touch because i've asked them too and number two identify why they are letting a car go on world wide tv under false documentation and component content.

The car is not traced back to the original selling dealer. The original owner refused to speak with the guy doing the research in the 80's. It had an electrical fire, an accident on the left side and an engine failure at 55k miles. There is your provenance. There was never any burlap sack with duct parts or aluminum heads.

Yes i have gotten in touch with my father and the original owner. I don't think I'm police but hopefully I'm conveying the message that as times change inter organizational and inter industry policies must change as well.

wmf62

i think that's called 'stretching -the-truth'.....

Bill

Jay1

I care and need to see change that is better for the industry.

Things were fine in Toledo until the entire river caught on fire huh?

Jason

corvette67jim

that is awesome

Vega$Vette

Ok.

But to do that you would have to go after every car dealer in the world that always misrepresent what they are selling and a majority of private party sellers who don't always disclose the true facts.

IT always comes down to BUYER BEWARE.