oil: dino vs dino/syn blend vs synthetic
11-04-2012, 06:18 PM
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oil: dino vs dino/syn blend vs synthetic
other than a possible cost savings; i'm trying to figure out a logical reason for a dino/synthetic blend. what could be the possible benefit?
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11-04-2012, 06:42 PM
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I have changed my oil (regular oil) every 10-15K miles for the last 40 years with no known ill effects.
What is it you are trying to accomplish?
What is it you are trying to accomplish?
11-04-2012, 06:49 PM
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i'm not trying accomplish anything more insidious than trying to figure out why they make, bottle and sell a type of oil that is a blend of dino oil and synthetic oil. the combination makes absolutely no sense to me..., i would use one or the other...
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11-04-2012, 07:06 PM
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Other than that, I see no reason for an old car to use the blendeddino/synthetic oil. I suspect you don't either.
11-04-2012, 07:15 PM
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There's very little in the way of sense in the motor oil business, other than marketing = profits.
11-04-2012, 07:24 PM
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Oh, well I would recommend you use the cheapest stuff you can find that has the API rating that you prefer. The alternative as I see it is stuffing money in pockets of the carnival hawkers.
Other than that, I see no reason for an old car to use the blendeddino/synthetic oil. I suspect you don't either.
Other than that, I see no reason for an old car to use the blendeddino/synthetic oil. I suspect you don't either.
when i put the ZZ4 in i broke it in in accordance with GM recommendation which was not to use synthetic oil during break-in; and i continued to use dino oil prior to taking my 10k+ trip this summer. (i had never used synthetic in anything before cause i was too cheap to try it....
)out of curiosity i changed to synthetic before the trip and used NO oil for the entire 10k+ whereas with the dino i was using some in the 3k or so duration between changes. when i finally changed oil after i got home i used synthetic again... time will tell if i experience the same 'no use' with the synthetic in everyday driving that i did on the trip.
but i transgress... again, i am curious where a blend fits in the big scheme of things, other than to possibly entice cheapskates like me to spend a bit more for what purpose i can't fathom.
FWIW, when i bought my new-to-me Enclave i asked what oil was being used in it and was told a 'blend....
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11-04-2012, 07:56 PM
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I get more of a drip using Mobile 1 synthetic than I do/did with dyno oil.
I don't know what weight dyno oil was in there as my mechanic put it in a while back when car was in the shop for restoration. After I replaced it with the Moble 1 (10-40 IIRC), the drip is more noticable.
I don't know what weight dyno oil was in there as my mechanic put it in a while back when car was in the shop for restoration. After I replaced it with the Moble 1 (10-40 IIRC), the drip is more noticable.
11-05-2012, 08:08 PM
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apparently the concensus is that no one has a clue, or the interest, as to whether a dino/syn blend serves any useful purpose or provides any benefit...
me neither...
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me neither...
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11-05-2012, 08:20 PM
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11-05-2012, 08:21 PM
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Bill I don't have a clue what the purpose of the blended dino/synth oil is, but strongly suspect it's just a marketing ploy to fill a gap in the cost-point and entice dino users to feel good about themselves by letting them buy pseudo-synth oil.
... i'll just use one or the other and nary the twain shall meet..
11-05-2012, 08:43 PM
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i agree.... BUT...
when i put the ZZ4 in i broke it in in accordance with GM recommendation which was not to use synthetic oil during break-in; and i continued to use dino oil prior to taking my 10k+ trip this summer. (i had never used synthetic in anything before cause i was too cheap to try it.... )
out of curiosity i changed to synthetic before the trip and used NO oil for the entire 10k+ whereas with the dino i was using some in the 3k or so duration between changes. when i finally changed oil after i got home i used synthetic again... time will tell if i experience the same 'no use' with the synthetic in everyday driving that i did on the trip.
but i transgress... again, i am curious where a blend fits in the big scheme of things, other than to possibly entice cheapskates like me to spend a bit more for what purpose i can't fathom.
FWIW, when i bought my new-to-me Enclave i asked what oil was being used in it and was told a 'blend....
Bill
when i put the ZZ4 in i broke it in in accordance with GM recommendation which was not to use synthetic oil during break-in; and i continued to use dino oil prior to taking my 10k+ trip this summer. (i had never used synthetic in anything before cause i was too cheap to try it....
)out of curiosity i changed to synthetic before the trip and used NO oil for the entire 10k+ whereas with the dino i was using some in the 3k or so duration between changes. when i finally changed oil after i got home i used synthetic again... time will tell if i experience the same 'no use' with the synthetic in everyday driving that i did on the trip.
but i transgress... again, i am curious where a blend fits in the big scheme of things, other than to possibly entice cheapskates like me to spend a bit more for what purpose i can't fathom.
FWIW, when i bought my new-to-me Enclave i asked what oil was being used in it and was told a 'blend....
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11-06-2012, 09:04 AM
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I think that blended oil is sometimes referred to as "high milage" oil.
I have refused to change the oil in my wife's Grand Marquis as it is a pia to get to the oil filter. It currently has about 150K miles on it. I told her a long time ago to take it to the Valvoline Instant Oil Change place down the road. She's been doing that since oil changes were $20 and sometimes catch a special for $12.95. A couple years ago, I asked her how much oil changes were now. She pulls the last receipt out of the glove box and it's $60!!!!!!! She said they told her she needed "high milage oil" in her car. Of course they also told her she needed a new fan belt, new aircleaner element, transmission flush, etc., etc.
Long story short, I drove the car right on over to the oil place and put my finger on the manager's nose, ask him wtf(?), and told him if he EVER put that oil in her car again and charged her that kind of money, the car would never darken his oil change bay again. Just put in the engine what the owner's manual calls for Bub!
PS. two years later, the same fan belt, transmission fluid, air cleaner element and etc's are still on the car.
11-06-2012, 09:29 AM
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Long story short, I drove the car right on over to the oil place and put my finger on the manager's nose, ask him wtf(?), and told him if he EVER put that oil in her car again and charged her that kind of money, the car would never darken his oil change bay again. Just put in the engine what the owner's manual calls for Bub!
All the quick oil change places around here try the same thing if I send Linda in with her car and even tried it with me once on our Tahoe. I tell Linda to make sure she only gets the basic, least expense oil they have and don't fall for the "upgrade" crap they are going to try to convince you that you need.
11-06-2012, 09:53 AM
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i can actually picture you doing just that to the manager.... i bet he had to change his shorts after you left too! LOL LOL LOL
All the quick oil change places around here try the same thing if I send Linda in with her car and even tried it with me once on our Tahoe. I tell Linda to make sure she only gets the basic, least expense oil they have and don't fall for the "upgrade" crap they are going to try to convince you that you need.
All the quick oil change places around here try the same thing if I send Linda in with her car and even tried it with me once on our Tahoe. I tell Linda to make sure she only gets the basic, least expense oil they have and don't fall for the "upgrade" crap they are going to try to convince you that you need.
I could tell a story about that one too on how that "special" ballooned to $300 before he cleared the driveway but that's another story for another forum!
11-06-2012, 12:10 PM
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I think that blended oil is sometimes referred to as "high milage" oil.
I have refused to change the oil in my wife's Grand Marquis as it is a pia to get to the oil filter. It currently has about 150K miles on it. I told her a long time ago to take it to the Valvoline Instant Oil Change place down the road. She's been doing that since oil changes were $20 and sometimes catch a special for $12.95. A couple years ago, I asked her how much oil changes were now. She pulls the last receipt out of the glove box and it's $60!!!!!!! She said they told her she needed "high milage oil" in her car. Of course they also told her she needed a new fan belt, new aircleaner element, transmission flush, etc., etc.
Long story short, I drove the car right on over to the oil place and put my finger on the manager's nose, ask him wtf(?), and told him if he EVER put that oil in her car again and charged her that kind of money, the car would never darken his oil change bay again. Just put in the engine what the owner's manual calls for Bub!
PS. two years later, the same fan belt, transmission fluid, air cleaner element and etc's are still on the car.
http://deals.woot.com/questions/deta...-do-you-pay-it
I think that blended oil is sometimes referred to as "high milage" oil.
I have refused to change the oil in my wife's Grand Marquis as it is a pia to get to the oil filter. It currently has about 150K miles on it. I told her a long time ago to take it to the Valvoline Instant Oil Change place down the road. She's been doing that since oil changes were $20 and sometimes catch a special for $12.95. A couple years ago, I asked her how much oil changes were now. She pulls the last receipt out of the glove box and it's $60!!!!!!! She said they told her she needed "high milage oil" in her car. Of course they also told her she needed a new fan belt, new aircleaner element, transmission flush, etc., etc.
Long story short, I drove the car right on over to the oil place and put my finger on the manager's nose, ask him wtf(?), and told him if he EVER put that oil in her car again and charged her that kind of money, the car would never darken his oil change bay again. Just put in the engine what the owner's manual calls for Bub!
PS. two years later, the same fan belt, transmission fluid, air cleaner element and etc's are still on the car.
I'll never forget the 60 Minutes segment where they conducted a sting operation on auto repair places. They completely checked out a target car and installed fresh oil/filter/plugs/filters/belts/hoses/etc on it. Everything was AOK with the car, except that they installed an old, cracked set of wiper blades on it. They took it to a number of repair shops for routine inspection and racked up a grand total in the thousands of dollars. The only item that was not changed after all of that was...............you guessed it: the wiper blades.
11-06-2012, 12:10 PM
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They don't make their profits on the low ball oil change. Their profits come from the upsell. Get rid of the upsell? The low ball price will go up.
Just good old fashioned marketing.
Integrity should keep them from selling a customer something they don't need.
I think we all know, integrity is in short supply now days.
Just good old fashioned marketing.
Integrity should keep them from selling a customer something they don't need.
I think we all know, integrity is in short supply now days.