MikeM

Don't disagree with that. The key is to keep you fuel storage sealed and not allow it exposed to water or long bout of exposure to atmosphere. If you notice, it will also evaporate away on you pretty fast if left uncapped.

jimmies63

Storing a gallon of gas in a container with stabilizer isnt a problem. A lot of equipment doesn't have a sealed system like the gas can or a modern car. I don't think my 63 is a sealed system. As temps change and tank vents through expansion and contraction it draws in moisture laden air. In the old days it condensed on the inside of the tank. Keep the tank full, less moisture settles in gas. With ethanol, the moisture is absorbed into the gas, keeping the tank full doesnt help, just makes for more bad gas. Still doesn't solve the solvent issue. alcohol in gas is a problem. More alcohol in the gas is a bigger problem.

Mike Ward

Did you watch the video?

jimmies63

Toyota has the warning on their gascaps now. I'd say they aren't convinced it is good yet.

http://farmprogress.com/blogs-turn-gas-cap-3188

MikeM

I was actually referring to storing gasoline for small engine use in my statement. No problems here since I started using sealed containers for storage. Before that, yes.

Never had a problem with any of the five old cars I have sitting around. Some don't get started for a couple years. They've been on E 10 for 30 years or so. They sit idle with a nearly empty tank and no stabilizer.

Automobile manufacturers make cars designed for E 10 and some models are made for E 85 and have been doing that for 10 years or so. Nobody that I know of certifies their products for E 15 whether it be auto manufacturers or engine suppliers.

If you're having fuel related problems with E 10, you're missing some opportunities somewhere to avoid same.

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rick66

I did watch the video. You clearly missed point. Let me try again. All of the earlier comments, prior to my initial one, were regarding the effects on engines, fuel lines, labeled the reporterettes as bimbos and of course the perfunctory degradation of Fox news. Including comments that the whole video was not factual. Not one comment mentioned the car company's perspective -even though it was mentioned throughout the "non-truthful" video. The car manufacturers views are easily verified and I did check that out.

Well, the car companies clearly have misgivings about E15 fuel. That is the elephant in the room.

Mike Ward

No one here or elsewhere has said that E15 is 'good' or even close to it. The E15 scam has been beaten to death long before this 'earth shattering' exposé from Fox was posted. Unfortunately but predictably, the subject was quickly diverted to E10 to thrash yet again all the same old predictions of doom and gloom. The usual cast of characters make their standard posts about having used E10 for 20-30 or more years in their cars without problems- me included. The sky-is-falling brigade drags out their stores about boats, old lawn mowers, chain saws etc.

The only group that never ever speaks up is cars owners that have actually been damaged by E10. How about that. The closest we get is people who are upset that 20 or 30 year old rubber components have failed and of course the ethanol (and only the ethanol) is to blame.

MikeM

There is a lot more changes involved in today's gasoline than just ethanol as compared to yesterday's fuel. Getting rid of acetone, benzine and other light stuff is part of the equation too and maybe that's why some areas have problems and some don't as not all refiners blend their gasoline the same.

aafadca

The corn lobbyists have been around a long time. I have nothing against farmers ( I have them in my family) but it does make more sense for them to grow corn for food instead of fuel. I believe the "liberal" /"conservative" crap is just that...crap. It's money and influence that seems to speak in Washington. And neither side seems to be immune to it. So how about taking the politics to a differnt forum. Most of us come here to get away from that nonsense.

JohnZ

In case you haven't noticed, it's no longer possible to discuss the rash of ill-advised government public policy initiatives involving the EPA's regulatory stance (including the ludicrous logic behind the E15 introduction) without involving "politics", particularly the politics of those currently in charge. That's just the way it is - don't blame me - I didn't vote for any of them.

TheGanzman

And it will REMAIN this way unless or until we have a viable 3rd party. I didn't vote for any of them either; it's like picking the leper with the most fingers to make your BBQ sandwich - no matter WHICH choice you make, you're gonna end up eating something you're not gonna like...

aafadca

In case you haven't noticed, the previous administration left us in worst shape than we've been in for MANY years (and I'm not a Bush hater) If you think it can take JUST 4 years to correct it, then oh well. Once again, no political party has all the answers or causes all the problems. Now, no more political discussions for me