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Old 02-23-2013, 09:04 AM
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What is the difference between the 1965 327 block ID 3782870 and the 1965 327 block ID 3858180. Both are small journals.

Can I use either one and rebuild a 327/350?
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They use the same parts, should fit
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Originally Posted by KingD
What is the difference between the 1965 327 block ID 3782870 and the 1965 327 block ID 3858180. Both are small journals.

Can I use either one and rebuild a 327/350?
The 180 block had thinner cylinder walls than the 870. The factory used the 180 block for engines 250-375 hp.
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That is what I figured, thanks much!

They are offering the block and internal parts with double hump heads for $300. Other than visiable cracks and severe gouges in the cylinder walls, what else should I look for?
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Originally Posted by KingD
That is what I figured, thanks much!

They are offering the block and internal parts with double hump heads for $300. Other than visiable cracks and severe gouges in the cylinder walls, what else should I look for?
Other than a competent machinist to look it over and maybe do some work on it, nothing off hand that I can think of. Maybe one of the machinist types here can suggest something.

Are the main caps on the block?

The price is cheap enough.
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Originally Posted by KingD
That is what I figured, thanks much!

They are offering the block and internal parts with double hump heads for $300. Other than visiable cracks and severe gouges in the cylinder walls, what else should I look for?

Probably a different block. Scrap iron gets about 200 bucks a ton these days.
Where are the cracks and how deep are the gouges?
Looks like you'll get a pair of double humps for about 280 bucks, which is a fair price.
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Originally Posted by KingD
That is what I figured, thanks much!

They are offering the block and internal parts with double hump heads for $300. Other than visiable cracks and severe gouges in the cylinder walls, what else should I look for?
I hope you meant you were going to look for cracks and gouges, not that you had already seen some in the block?
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Correct, I have now looked at it and no visible signs of cracks in the block and no gouging visible. everything looks fairly clean. So, I have the block, crank, pistons, heads and some extra parts all for $300, now it is time to rebuild it for a fresh motor. Thanks for all of your help.
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The L79 used a forged crankshaft, I think the low HP 327 used a cast iron crankshaft. Maybe someone on here knows when they used forged vrs cast.
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Originally Posted by Westlotorn
The L79 used a forged crankshaft, I think the low HP 327 used a cast iron crankshaft. Maybe someone on here knows when they used forged vrs cast.
As I recall, all Flint-built small-journal 327's had forged cranks; the cranks for SHP engines were also Tufftrided for improved journal surface hardness, and were drilled/tapped for a balancer bolt.
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Good to know as this is a small journal 327.
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Originally Posted by Westlotorn
The L79 used a forged crankshaft, I think the low HP 327 used a cast iron crankshaft. Maybe someone on here knows when they used forged vrs cast.
Only the large journal 327 used the cast crank. '68/later.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
Only the large journal 327 used the cast crank. '68/later.
And it seems to me that the large journal 327 was a one-year engine. So if, for some reason, you need an LG 327 cast crank, it might be a little tough to find one.
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Originally Posted by jim lockwood
And it seems to me that the large journal 327 was a one-year engine. So if, for some reason, you need an LG 327 cast crank, it might be a little tough to find one.
It was actually two years. '68-'69. I had to look. Couldn't remember!

Basically it was the same crank as the large journal 307 cranshft and interchangeable with it.
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Originally Posted by MikeM
It was actually two years. '68-'69. I had to look. Couldn't remember!

Basically it was the same crank as the large journal 307 cranshft and interchangeable with it.
That is good information. Thanks, I have a cast 327 crank, I was bummed when I pulled it out of a core engine and found the cast and not forged crank, set it aside and never measured. Now I know it should be a large journal. Time to go back and see if that block will make a 383!!! Maybe it is actually one of the rare 350's with the block vent? That would be pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
As I recall, all Flint-built small-journal 327's had forged cranks; the cranks for SHP engines were also Tufftrided for improved journal surface hardness, and were drilled/tapped for a balancer bolt.
John Z--
I have a Flint block cast dateC115 out of an Impala. Do the Chevy 327s also have the forged cranks?
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Originally Posted by kingwoodvette
John Z--
I have a Flint block cast dateC115 out of an Impala. Do the Chevy 327s also have the forged cranks?
Yes, they do, if that "5" is 1965 - what's the block casting number?

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Block casting number is 3782870
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Originally Posted by kingwoodvette
Block casting number is 3782870
Yup, that block was built with a forged crank.
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Good to know. Makes me feel better about my NOM in my 63 especially with its double hump heads. John, thanks for the info. The original "fountain of knowledge!". Randy



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