Brake Oil low level warning
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Brake Oil low level warning
anyone ever done a 'low level' indicator on a C2? If so, how?
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If you're having to add fluid, you have a leak and you should fix it. If you don't have a leak, you don't need a warning light, just check the fluid occasionally.
To answer your question, I've never heard of a level indicator being added to a C2, nor a need for one.
To answer your question, I've never heard of a level indicator being added to a C2, nor a need for one.
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The brake oil low level indicator is the brake pedal. When it starts sinking to the floor, time to add fluid and fix leak.
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If the oil level/pressure of the engine is important enough to have a gauge on the dash (to keep the engine 'alive') then I do not think that having a small indicator for the brakes is an unreasonable ambition (to keep myself 'alive')
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Taking nothing away from the "goodness" of knowing that a brake failure is imminent, I think you are wanting a solution for a practically non-existent problem. Brake systems are pretty reliable.
If the potential for a brake failure is something that prevents you from enjoying your vintage Corvette, consider converting the brake system to a dual master cylinder (assuming it doesn't already have one).
With the dual master cylinder, you'd have redundancy..... i.e. even if you do experience a failure, half the brake system will still function.
Jim
If the potential for a brake failure is something that prevents you from enjoying your vintage Corvette, consider converting the brake system to a dual master cylinder (assuming it doesn't already have one).
With the dual master cylinder, you'd have redundancy..... i.e. even if you do experience a failure, half the brake system will still function.
Jim
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Our '98 Toyota Tacoma has a brake fluid sensor in the reservoir that is wired into the parking brake circuit. When the sensor indicates a low level it will turn on the "BRAKE" warning light. Early on Toyota did a mod to the sensor because it would turn on the light if the fluid had too much moisture in it. I was changing the brake fluid at least once a year to get the light to go out... once I figured out it wasn't the parking brake turning the light on.
If you check out the system on the Tacoma (many other Toyota's may include the sensor), you may find it not too difficult to incorporate it into your system.
Good luck... GUSTO
If you check out the system on the Tacoma (many other Toyota's may include the sensor), you may find it not too difficult to incorporate it into your system.
Good luck... GUSTO
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Taking nothing away from the "goodness" of knowing that a brake failure is imminent, I think you are wanting a solution for a practically non-existent problem. Brake systems are pretty reliable.
If the potential for a brake failure is something that prevents you from enjoying your vintage Corvette, consider converting the brake system to a dual master cylinder (assuming it doesn't already have one).
With the dual master cylinder, you'd have redundancy..... i.e. even if you do experience a failure, half the brake system will still function.
Jim
If the potential for a brake failure is something that prevents you from enjoying your vintage Corvette, consider converting the brake system to a dual master cylinder (assuming it doesn't already have one).
With the dual master cylinder, you'd have redundancy..... i.e. even if you do experience a failure, half the brake system will still function.
Jim
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Is it? When's the last time anybody heard of an engine being 'lost' by the driver for not monitoring the oil pressure gauge? The same could be said of any of the gauges fitted to Corvettes of the era.
Most other cars had a speedometer and a gas gauge- that's it. It's 'nice' to have all sorts of info but how often does it make a difference?
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My bust I guess - I never heard the term "brake oil" before.... I run single master cylinders in both my Corvettes and don't feel unsafe at all.
As far as a brake fluid level indicator -- its prob largely a false comfort. I lift my master cylinder cap regularly not just to check the level, but to examine the fluid, ensure the cap's gasket is in good shape and that there is no rust creeping in to the system...
Cobbling together a sensor system for this purpose may give many 'false positives' or no indication at all and become more problematic than checking the fluid regularly. The simplicity of these cars is a large part of their appeal to me.
As far as a brake fluid level indicator -- its prob largely a false comfort. I lift my master cylinder cap regularly not just to check the level, but to examine the fluid, ensure the cap's gasket is in good shape and that there is no rust creeping in to the system...
Cobbling together a sensor system for this purpose may give many 'false positives' or no indication at all and become more problematic than checking the fluid regularly. The simplicity of these cars is a large part of their appeal to me.
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Our '98 Toyota Tacoma has a brake fluid sensor in the reservoir that is wired into the parking brake circuit. When the sensor indicates a low level it will turn on the "BRAKE" warning light. Early on Toyota did a mod to the sensor because it would turn on the light if the fluid had too much moisture in it. I was changing the brake fluid at least once a year to get the light to go out... once I figured out it wasn't the parking brake turning the light on.
If you check out the system on the Tacoma (many other Toyota's may include the sensor), you may find it not too difficult to incorporate it into
your system.
Good luck... GUSTO
If you check out the system on the Tacoma (many other Toyota's may include the sensor), you may find it not too difficult to incorporate it into
your system.
Good luck... GUSTO
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Please consult the appropriate year owner's manual for your car for the best way to check brake fluid level.
On the other hand, each time you pop the cap to look, you risk allowing moisture into the system which is not a good thing with Dot 3,4.
Dual master cylinders are no guarantee you won't have total brake failure either. It probably is a guarantee as long as everything is bright, shiney and new. Let the system get some age on it and things happen.
On the other hand, each time you pop the cap to look, you risk allowing moisture into the system which is not a good thing with Dot 3,4.
Dual master cylinders are no guarantee you won't have total brake failure either. It probably is a guarantee as long as everything is bright, shiney and new. Let the system get some age on it and things happen.
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Brake oil or brake fluid? It may have come to your mind that not all humans have English as their native language. English (American?) is my 3rd language, Flemish first and French second. I was born and live in Belgium. In case someone is interested, in Flemish , 'Brake Fluid' is called 'Brake Oil'.
I may sound offensive here, just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question in my original post. Instead, I get mostly opinions about why the hell I wanna do what I wanna do. Thanks to the few who actually did make the effort to answer.
Now I go hide
I may sound offensive here, just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question in my original post. Instead, I get mostly opinions about why the hell I wanna do what I wanna do. Thanks to the few who actually did make the effort to answer.
Now I go hide
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Brake oil or brake fluid? It may have come to your mind that not all humans have English as their native language. English (American?) is my 3rd language, Flemish first and French second. I was born and live in Belgium. In case someone is interested, in Flemish , 'Brake Fluid' is called 'Brake Oil'.
I may sound offensive here, just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question in my original post. Instead, I get mostly opinions about why the hell I wanna do what I wanna do. Thanks to the few who actually did make the effort to answer.
Now I go hide
I may sound offensive here, just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question in my original post. Instead, I get mostly opinions about why the hell I wanna do what I wanna do. Thanks to the few who actually did make the effort to answer.
Now I go hide
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It's cool Alexander. We didn't know where you were from cause you didn't fill out your profile. I do what I wanna do to my Vette's too. I like to customize (Hot Rod) em. If you put a sensor on your master, keep us posted on how you do it. Someone else might want to do the same. Good luck with your car. Pops
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It wouldn't be hard to do at all. Just use a MC that has a float sensor in the reservoir already built in it that has the right bowl capacity and the right piston size.
Wire it in to a revolving bubble gum light mounted on the dashboard.
Wire it in to a revolving bubble gum light mounted on the dashboard.
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Brake oil or brake fluid? It may have come to your mind that not all humans have English as their native language. English (American?) is my 3rd language, Flemish first and French second. I was born and live in Belgium. In case someone is interested, in Flemish , 'Brake Fluid' is called 'Brake Oil'.
I may sound offensive here, just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question in my original post. Instead, I get mostly opinions about why the hell I wanna do what I wanna do. Thanks to the few who actually did make the effort to answer.
Now I go hide
I may sound offensive here, just trying to get a simple answer to a simple question in my original post. Instead, I get mostly opinions about why the hell I wanna do what I wanna do. Thanks to the few who actually did make the effort to answer.
Now I go hide
As to your desires for a sensor, my post was trying to anticipate problems that you might encounter (e.g. "false positives" and "no indication at all" scenarios). I've worked extensively on aircraft and can tell you most of these sensors are designed as part of a holistic approach to a system and not afterthought "add ons". The point being the sensor you are relying on might introduce more errors as an indicator than any problems it might prevent.
If you can get it to work then good for you.
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I appreciate this forum a lot , gave me more answers than any other resource I could have consulted.
And yes, I am of the kind that likes to do 'weird' things, but still try to keep the car as close to original feel as possible.
I did use float sensor in my Cobra, that is how I taught to include it in my C2, but float sensors would not look very period correct needing to change the top lid. Hence my question.
Did I tell anyone I test-converted my original 64 FM radio (that I got to work again, just like the clock) with a handsfree bluetooth system and small screen to display the phonebook. I know I can buy new look alike radios with that all included, but I really like the warm sound of the original radio generated by the vintage power transistor. Not sure I will use it at final reassembly of the car, but I like to experiment
Oh, last point: I will complete my profile