Wet and black spark plugs
#1
Burning Brakes
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Wet and black spark plugs
I have an all stock 67 corvette 427/390. I just installed new AC plugs, points, cond., cap, rotar, etc.The factory Holley was just rebuilt by a professional carb shop. The car has a miss that I can't seem to eliminate and the plugs are absolutely black with carbon and wet.
The strange thing is when I pull the vacuum hose off the dist. to set the timing, the engine almost seems smoother. After I pull the little plug out of the vacuum hose and plug it back on the advance, it gets rough. My engine vacuum is about 18. Any ideas??
The strange thing is when I pull the vacuum hose off the dist. to set the timing, the engine almost seems smoother. After I pull the little plug out of the vacuum hose and plug it back on the advance, it gets rough. My engine vacuum is about 18. Any ideas??
#2
Race Director
I do not know if this is going to help....but I use a vacuum gauge to set the timing and drive it.
I rarely use a timing light and use the notch on the balancer...beacsue I have encountered over the years so many harmonic balancers that have had the outer timing notch ring spin on teh center hub...and if trusting and using a timing light...is pointless due tot eh mark is off.
I confirm that the mark on the balancer is correct...so when I get it running great...I use my timing light and see what it is set at just for information purposes.
I have had the timing mark on the balancer be off as much as 1 1/2 inches.
I know you just had the carb rebuilt...and I am not saying that they did not do it correctly...but is there a chance that the car is dripping fuel while idling???
DUB
I rarely use a timing light and use the notch on the balancer...beacsue I have encountered over the years so many harmonic balancers that have had the outer timing notch ring spin on teh center hub...and if trusting and using a timing light...is pointless due tot eh mark is off.
I confirm that the mark on the balancer is correct...so when I get it running great...I use my timing light and see what it is set at just for information purposes.
I have had the timing mark on the balancer be off as much as 1 1/2 inches.
I know you just had the carb rebuilt...and I am not saying that they did not do it correctly...but is there a chance that the car is dripping fuel while idling???
DUB
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You say wet. But what is it. Is it oil,gas or a mixture
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You are leaning out the mixture of an over rich carb. Take the carb back to the rebuilder.
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Ok
I would say carb all the way!
Not timing and not plug type or gap!
don't know which carb you are running?
Wet with gas and carbon sounds like a flooding condition and to rich of a mixture- rough running, missing either trying to ignite the unburned raw gas, and then it will soot up the plugs! But is your engine getting to operating temperatures? Did you drive it home a distance with this condition and then pull the plugs? Black soot is rich condition! Etc. ??????
Not timing and not plug type or gap!
don't know which carb you are running?
Wet with gas and carbon sounds like a flooding condition and to rich of a mixture- rough running, missing either trying to ignite the unburned raw gas, and then it will soot up the plugs! But is your engine getting to operating temperatures? Did you drive it home a distance with this condition and then pull the plugs? Black soot is rich condition! Etc. ??????
Last edited by TCracingCA; 04-13-2014 at 03:51 AM.
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A "professional" rebuild can mean different things. I had a fit with my rebuilt 4 barrels on my '61 fouling plugs - in as little as 50 miles. The rebuild apparently had included replacing the needle valves and seats with the WRONG parts. Took a few weeks to figure it out. Now I rebuild 'em myself.
I think post #6 nailed it...
I think post #6 nailed it...
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Burning Brakes
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#10
Burning Brakes
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I will get the carb back to the rebuild shop and have him test it on his shop engine. Thanks
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Burning Brakes
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#13
Burning Brakes
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I would say carb all the way!
Not timing and not plug type or gap!
don't know which carb you are running?
Wet with gas and carbon sounds like a flooding condition and to rich of a mixture- rough running, missing either trying to ignite the unburned raw gas, and then it will soot up the plugs! But is your engine getting to operating temperatures? Did you drive it home a distance with this condition and then pull the plugs? Black soot is rich condition! Etc. ??????
Not timing and not plug type or gap!
don't know which carb you are running?
Wet with gas and carbon sounds like a flooding condition and to rich of a mixture- rough running, missing either trying to ignite the unburned raw gas, and then it will soot up the plugs! But is your engine getting to operating temperatures? Did you drive it home a distance with this condition and then pull the plugs? Black soot is rich condition! Etc. ??????
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Sounds like you found one culpit!
My opinion on PVC valves is to remove them, but if you want the stock look, then take a big drill and deal with it! I like to on my 327 pull the gas out of the block from the tube area next to the distributor, but not with the stock tube. I found one with a 90 degree angle that is alot cleaner looking and plumb that to the exhaust header to scavenge out pressure. Then I run full breathers on the valve covers or can switch to the Moroso Breather tube from valve cover kit to a catch can.
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If the plugs are really soaked, they may be junk.
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I have an all stock 67 corvette 427/390. I just installed new AC plugs, points, cond., cap, rotar, etc.The factory Holley was just rebuilt by a professional carb shop. The car has a miss that I can't seem to eliminate and the plugs are absolutely black with carbon and wet.
The strange thing is when I pull the vacuum hose off the dist. to set the timing, the engine almost seems smoother. After I pull the little plug out of the vacuum hose and plug it back on the advance, it gets rough. My engine vacuum is about 18. Any ideas??
The strange thing is when I pull the vacuum hose off the dist. to set the timing, the engine almost seems smoother. After I pull the little plug out of the vacuum hose and plug it back on the advance, it gets rough. My engine vacuum is about 18. Any ideas??