Here is a kick in the pants
04-26-2014, 07:42 PM
#21
There are many NCRS haters here.
I've never had my 67 judged and I don't intend to, but this constant bashing of the people and the organization that likes original cars comes off as nothing more than jealously.
If you don't like gay people, then don't marry one, and if you don't like the NCRS, then don't join.
04-26-2014, 07:54 PM
#22
Originally Posted by Mike Terry
will those cars now loose there Top Flight status?
04-26-2014, 08:12 PM
#23
Burning Brakes
I like original cars just as much as resto mods or customs, they are all special in their own ways While I belong to NCRS I will never have my 65 FI coupe judged, just not that into all the 100% correctness mindset! though when I do repair or replace I first consider OEM then evaluate if there is a better more modern option that might improve the car for me, the way I drive it and use it. I enjoy seeing the cars that are original, and admire those that do a full top to bottom restoration, just not my thing that's all. But it's a fact that for some this is a hobby and for others it's a business for profit and sometimes those two sides overlap in some unusual ways. It does seem a bit unethical if an NCRS judge or judges would re-write the judging manual to personally profit in some way by requiring their parts be used, just doesn't seem like something that benefits the NCRS or it's members. Either way, it won't change the way I do anything with my car.
04-26-2014, 08:14 PM
#24
Le Mans Master
04-26-2014, 08:41 PM
#25
Melting Slicks
I have a '66 L72 conv that I put as many miles on as I possibly can...I'm not going to save it for anything! I do my best to keep it in great condition and like it as original as possible, but I love to drive the car more than anything else I have - It'd be a shame to let it sit idle...
I hope to someday get it painted and freshen the interior, but I definitely don't want to make it so nice that I would no longer want to drive it! It's an awesome driving C2 (you hear so many stories how many don't drive well) and is a pleasure for road-trips and vacations! Everything works great and I plan to keep it that way...
If someone wants their car to be a NCRS car, more power to them...It takes a LOT of work to make it happen for most cars! I love to see at an all original looking car...I love to drive one like mine!
I hope to someday get it painted and freshen the interior, but I definitely don't want to make it so nice that I would no longer want to drive it! It's an awesome driving C2 (you hear so many stories how many don't drive well) and is a pleasure for road-trips and vacations! Everything works great and I plan to keep it that way...
If someone wants their car to be a NCRS car, more power to them...It takes a LOT of work to make it happen for most cars! I love to see at an all original looking car...I love to drive one like mine!
04-26-2014, 09:20 PM
#26
Le Mans Master
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04-26-2014, 09:20 PM
#27
Melting Slicks
just one example. Look at the 1953 Corvette judging manual at the gas filters in the past years manuals. Now look at the NEW Manual that is out at the same thing. The difference is 2 little prong like wires or what ever they are on the gas filter that is in side the glass filter bowl. From the time NCRS started the gas filter without the 2 prongs on the bottom side were correct and passed NCRS inspection. Now they show if your filter does not have these prongs that are on the NEW JUDGING MANUAL that you will have points deducted. So does that mean that all 53 Corvettes that were judged before the new book came out should loose more points. I am not sure but I was told that a NCRS Judge is making the so called correct filter. If it is correct now why have they passed all the 53 Corvettes in the past without the filter with the prongs on it?? I am sure there are a bunch more items or why else would they be making and changing the judging manuals?? So if they have changed say 5 things per model year, does that means all the cars judged in the past are not Top Flight Cars?? Maybe they should all come back in to be re-judged each time they put out a new manual or do they just put out new manuals to get more money for the new book and there is nothing changed in them and if that is the case they should tell the people before they buy a new book that the old books are just the same as the new books and nothing has changed?? Just check the old manuals to the new ones and see if there are any changes and who said the new change is correct? If the new change is correct then all the cars judged under the old manuals were judged wrong and may not be Top Flight Cars? I have seen several Pennant Blue 1954 Corvettes with Top Flights and I do not remember any of them being the same color Blue as any of the other cars. They are almost all different colors blue and the same for the Polo White cars, I have seen several Top Flight Polo White cars and a lot of them are different shades of white, how can that be??
04-26-2014, 09:30 PM
#28
Le Mans Master
Thread Starter
I would challenge any one to take you car to an NCRS event and have it judged. The turn around and do NOTHING to the car and take it to the next NCRS event and have it judged. I would bet you as much as you are willing to loose that you will not get the same score in the second judging as you did the first judging. There for proves that judging is not the same across the board and if things change all the time and they write new books, WHY? What makes all the changes from one book to another judging book? You would think by now, 2014 that if they do not know what the cars came out of the factory with when they were build by now they never will know what all the cars were built with? WHY ALL THE CHANGES????? Know one has answered that yet.
04-26-2014, 10:01 PM
#29
Safety Car
Mike as you know I was NCRS member #182 before I gave up on them and all car clubs . In the beginning when I was young car shows and NCRS was new and fun to be evolved with, but as time went on it all began to be about money or politics (in that order) I am a hobbyist in general weather Corvette or Hudson , I enjoy people and their cars no matter what they drive. To keep my life simple I don't care what someone does to their Corvette only MINE. You will never win a argument with all the people, you'll be liked or disliked . So I just don't argue and still have some people dislike me!
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04-26-2014, 10:52 PM
#30
Drifting
Ncrs
Mike, you obviously dont understand the judging process. Rarely will the change in configuration of just one part effect the change from Top Flight status. Configuration is worth 20 percent of originality. So if the filter is worth 10 points, a COMPLETE difference in configuration would only cost you 2 points.....out of 4510! Not significant.
NCRS has many flaws I agree, but its still the best we have for preserving these cars. NCRS has a Sportsman class where you can display your car right on the judging field.....with the EFI 502 or whatever you wish.
Many of my friends have national Top Flight cars that are driven all the time. I have no problem if someone brings theirs on a trailer. In NCRS, you car does not compete againt another.
NCRS has to work on consistency with Chapter, Regional and National meets.
If an owner takes an avid interest in restoring their car, they can obtain a Top Flight quit easily and still drive it....actually, easier if you drive it.
Boyan
NCRS has many flaws I agree, but its still the best we have for preserving these cars. NCRS has a Sportsman class where you can display your car right on the judging field.....with the EFI 502 or whatever you wish.
Many of my friends have national Top Flight cars that are driven all the time. I have no problem if someone brings theirs on a trailer. In NCRS, you car does not compete againt another.
NCRS has to work on consistency with Chapter, Regional and National meets.
If an owner takes an avid interest in restoring their car, they can obtain a Top Flight quit easily and still drive it....actually, easier if you drive it.
Boyan
04-26-2014, 11:24 PM
#31
I would challenge any one to take you car to an NCRS event and have it judged. The turn around and do NOTHING to the car and take it to the next NCRS event and have it judged. I would bet you as much as you are willing to loose that you will not get the same score in the second judging as you did the first judging. There for proves that judging is not the same across the board and if things change all the time and they write new books, WHY? What makes all the changes from one book to another judging book? You would think by now, 2014 that if they do not know what the cars came out of the factory with when they were build by now they never will know what all the cars were built with? WHY ALL THE CHANGES????? Know one has answered that yet.
04-26-2014, 11:37 PM
#32
Burning Brakes
I attended my first NCRS Chapter Judging event today. This was my first interaction with NCRS.
It could not have been a better experience. Everyone was very courteous and respectFul of my car and the process
Mike, with all due respect you can't make blanket statements about an organization so big. I'm sure there are some jerks. Jerks are everywhere in any vocation.
I for one am glad the organization exists and I chose to be involved.
It could not have been a better experience. Everyone was very courteous and respectFul of my car and the process
Mike, with all due respect you can't make blanket statements about an organization so big. I'm sure there are some jerks. Jerks are everywhere in any vocation.
I for one am glad the organization exists and I chose to be involved.
04-26-2014, 11:45 PM
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I would challenge any one to take you car to an NCRS event and have it judged. The turn around and do NOTHING to the car and take it to the next NCRS event and have it judged. I would bet you as much as you are willing to loose that you will not get the same score in the second judging as you did the first judging. There for proves that judging is not the same across the board and if things change all the time and they write new books, WHY? What makes all the changes from one book to another judging book? You would think by now, 2014 that if they do not know what the cars came out of the factory with when they were build by now they never will know what all the cars were built with? WHY ALL THE CHANGES????? Know one has answered that yet.
04-27-2014, 06:56 AM
#34
Burning Brakes
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The NCRS is what it is. "an organization". Bashing them here serves no purpose. If you have proof that this is happening take it to the source. The NCRS has folks in charge. Just like our "leaders" in Wash. "an organization". Yes, Sadly it has become all about $. Greed. That big green monster.
Mike, we need folks like you who speak up about injustice, and make us all aware of what is going on.
If we could all focus this kind of energy things could get better for those following us. Be thankful that you lived in the best of times. I am.
04-27-2014, 09:04 AM
#35
Le Mans Master
Now that's funny.
I'm grateful for the updated editions.
I'm one of those dumbasses who STILL doesn't know all the details about how Corvettes looked when they came out of the factory more than 50 years ago.
04-27-2014, 09:47 AM
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04-27-2014, 09:58 AM
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04-27-2014, 10:58 AM
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