kkoykka

Hello, finally about ready to put the new motor in my 56 but the headers I was planning on buying say they wont work with angle plug heads. I built a ZZ430 clone using GM Fastburn heads which have the angled plugs. I wanted to use Hooker headers but of course they say their headers wont work with the angled plug. I see that their headers say they work from 56-82 and there are some other companies that will work with angled plugs in the later years. Does anyone know if headers for say a C2 vette would fit in the C1 frame? Or does anyone have angled plugs with a C1 and can recommend a header to use?

Thanks,
Kevin

vettsplit 63

Hmm- I hope that is not the case- I was planning on using either the Hooker 2108's or a set of Stahl headers that have the Brodix bolt pattern.

DZAuto should be able to answer that question. He has a lot of experience with the early cars.

kkoykka

Oh yea, forgot to mention. I checked Stahl too and their website says after 50 years they are going out of business. They are selling things cheap but for the C1 they are only selling the bends to make your own fender well headers from what I can see.

vettsplit 63

Yeah, I saw that Stahl doesn't make complete headers for that application anymore. I was able to pick up a very lightly used set that has the Stahl bolt pattern, for a 62 with stock chassis. The center two ports don't get pinched down like some others. Probably not a whole lot of call for those anymore.

As an aside, it is kinda sad that Stahl is going out of business. Jere Stahl built Bill Jenkins a set of headers, and Jenkins wasn't too impressed with the looks of them, but the car picked up like .3 over the set of tri y's he had previously been using. Word got around, and everybody who was anybody was having him build a set for them. Those were the days.

From Stahl website
In any event, he got the idea to build a set of 409 headers the next winter. Phone calls to Dave Strickler (York) and Bill Jenkins (90 miles from Strickler in Berwyn) resulted in an assurance they would test the headers when they came to Detroit to match race in May of 1963. When they arrived at Jere's gas station in Romulus and looked at the headers, Jenkins said he didn't think they would work (probably due to the ugly appearance). (Incidentally Jere got this first set back some 15 years ago.) Strickler said, "I gave the man my word we'd try them" and so on the race car they went. Jere won't tell the whole story of Jenkins driving the car on the highway over 120 mph and spinning off the road into a farmer's front lawn but... Bill said the seat of his pants told him they were better than the S&S tri-y's they replaced. A trip to Detroit Dragway produced the best times ever run by a Chevrolet AFX'er up to that point in time.

GCD1962

Stahl's headers were mostly good, but at times he let "theory" get ahead of reality. Stahl himself is a head case

62vetteuk

these may be ok http://www.summitracing.com/dom/parts/dou-d315

vetrod62

Ok, after seeing the massive response of your question, I thought I might as well chime in as, I actually have experience in this subject. My C1 drag racing series, the North Jersey Outlaws, has had several cars that run angle plug heads. The big fact that no one says is, all angle plug heads have different locations of where the plugs are located. Nice!!

What I do know for angle plug heads is:

Hedman 68130 or 68136 are a great buy. Easy install and cheap. Not made for several years. See them , buy them. I use them on my car with Brodix heads.

Hooker 2108HKR, super comps, best header over the counter. But they say no angle plugs or 168 flywheel. BS. They work with AFR 227/235 heads. Other heads, I do not know. 168 tooth fly wheel works with a mini starter with lots of clearance.

I have a set of hooker comps that fit Edlebrock heads with tube modifications that work. But do not work with the AFR heads.

Basically it is a test fit to see if it works.

If you can ship me a head, I can test fit it. Jim

kkoykka

Thanks for the feedback on this. I ended up ordering a set of Dougs Headers as the ones listed above. Never tried this brand before, so I'll see how they fit and work.

vettsplit 63

JIM- anyone using Dart 220's with the 2108's ?

vetrod62

Sorry, not that I know of. As I said earlier I have a spare set of 2108 super comps and a spare set of modified 2456 comps. If you send me a head, I can see if the plugs will fit. Jim

vetrod62

Hey , let us know how they work out as far as installation ease and fit. I know headers for the early cars are a challenge. I am trying to document all the combinations available. Jim

BillbUrruss

I had a ZZ430 engine in my 66 and I used Hooker headers they were great!!

BillbUrruss

Around 1995 I bought a set of headers from Stahl. I was assured they would fit my 1966 Vet with a ZZ430 and factory side pipes, not his side pipes, by the lady who,took the order. Apparently she was mistaken. I couldn't get them on my car so I took it to Tony's Corvette shop and they called me and said they would need serious modifications. Tony said he would call Stahl to discuss it with him. Stahl went berserk and ranted he'd been making header forever and that we were all idiots who didn't know what we were talking about. He did refund my money but I would never deal with him again. I ended up buying Hooker and they were fine. I'm just venting, I've never forgotten it. I wanted to buy Stahl Headers not fight with him. That man doesn't understand customer service. He is a head case.

ptjsk

I put a set of Doug's Headers on the '62 several years ago.

I have been very happy with the quality of the product. So much so that I also put a set on the '55 Nomad!

They are a great product! I hope they haven't changed.

Pat

Stan's Customs

I bought Sanderson block huggers for my '61 with for the D-Port aluminum angle plug heads that come on a ZZ4. For my application theirs was the best of the best, imho. The D-ports are a real D-ports not oversize round ports. Ceramic coated in and out ...3/8" exhaust head flange plate...very well built.


http://www.hotrod.com/how-to/engine/...haust-headers/

This link is to the model CC5 headers I chose...lots of plug clearance and access to the plugs from the top side , rather than from the underside. Other parts of the link show a couple of other d-port header styles.

Best regards...Stan

BillbUrruss

I had the Sanderson cast headers on my ZZ430 before I tried the Stahl headers. They did not match up with the Fastburn heads D-port. I'm guessing the ZZ430 ports are bigger than the ZZ4.

Stan's Customs

Yep totally different heads...My bad... I messed the fact that they were fast burn heads..

....Stan