Stamping Frame
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Stamping Frame
I expect there has been much discussion on this, but I will ask (because I did a search and didnt get a solid response)....my frame is off and has been repaired in places. Didnt have to repair the top of the kick-up or the frame rails where the VIN was, but could not make out the VIN due to surface rust. I am going to have it blasted and powdered coated (the frame) but was interested in stamping the VIN back in the frame. Anyone know were I can get the tool(s) to stamp the approrpriate size and font VIN in the frame?
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I expect there has been much discussion on this, but I will ask (because I did a search and didnt get a solid response)....my frame is off and has been repaired in places. Didnt have to repair the top of the kick-up or the frame rails where the VIN was, but could not make out the VIN due to surface rust. I am going to have it blasted and powdered coated (the frame) but was interested in stamping the VIN back in the frame. Anyone know were I can get the tool(s) to stamp the approrpriate size and font VIN in the frame?
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Nice machine, wonder what it'll cost ya vjjack04?
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Very nice. I thought there might be a way to do this based on using individual metal number "punches" (not sure what this would be called). I guess it doesnt really matter, but thought as long as my frame is seperated from the car, it would be neat to restamp the VIN number on it.
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I agree with VD... its neat when you can document the frame VIN matching your car for your records (as below) but stamping a frame sounds like a bad idea. Depending on your particular state, it may be clearly listed as illegal per statute... check with your DMV site.
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So, here's a question.....
If the frame is repaired in the area of the VIN (either one), do you cut out the original VIN stamp and tack it to the repaired area, or stamp the repaired area?
If the frame is repaired in the area of the VIN (either one), do you cut out the original VIN stamp and tack it to the repaired area, or stamp the repaired area?
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If you sandblast the VIN, use fine sand or the numbers will disapear. Mask off the numbers when you re paint the frame and then spray a few coats of clear over the numbers.
A thick coat of primmer and two coats of black will fill in the numbers and make them unreadable.
A thick coat of primmer and two coats of black will fill in the numbers and make them unreadable.
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This issue has come up 8 bazillion times-----------------AND I'VE NEVER HAD AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER!!!!!!!!
And here is my question.
If a car is badly wrecked, and the frame is bent, twisted, buckled, whatever (for example, the car is rearended and the rear part of the frame is buckled), and the rear of the frame is cut off and a new rear frame section is welded on, JUST HOW MUCH OF THE FRAME CAN BE REPLACED AND STILL RETAIN THE VIN???????????????????
So, now, one step further. If MOST of the frame is badly bent-------------BUT THE CENTER PORTION OF THE LEFT FRAME RAIL IS STILL STRAIGHT, WHY CAN'T THAT PART OF THE FRAME RAIL WITH THE VIN BE SPLICED INTO ANOTHER FRAME????????
Again, HOW MUCH OF A FRAME CAN BE CUT OFF AND REPLACED BEFORE IT BECOMES ILLEGAL????????
And here is my question.
If a car is badly wrecked, and the frame is bent, twisted, buckled, whatever (for example, the car is rearended and the rear part of the frame is buckled), and the rear of the frame is cut off and a new rear frame section is welded on, JUST HOW MUCH OF THE FRAME CAN BE REPLACED AND STILL RETAIN THE VIN???????????????????
So, now, one step further. If MOST of the frame is badly bent-------------BUT THE CENTER PORTION OF THE LEFT FRAME RAIL IS STILL STRAIGHT, WHY CAN'T THAT PART OF THE FRAME RAIL WITH THE VIN BE SPLICED INTO ANOTHER FRAME????????
Again, HOW MUCH OF A FRAME CAN BE CUT OFF AND REPLACED BEFORE IT BECOMES ILLEGAL????????
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This issue has come up 8 bazillion times-----------------AND I'VE NEVER HAD AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER!!!!!!!!
And here is my question.
If a car is badly wrecked, and the frame is bent, twisted, buckled, whatever (for example, the car is rearended and the rear part of the frame is buckled), and the rear of the frame is cut off and a new rear frame section is welded on, JUST HOW MUCH OF THE FRAME CAN BE REPLACED AND STILL RETAIN THE VIN???????????????????
So, now, one step further. If MOST of the frame is badly bent-------------BUT THE CENTER PORTION OF THE LEFT FRAME RAIL IS STILL STRAIGHT, WHY CAN'T THAT PART OF THE FRAME RAIL WITH THE VIN BE SPLICED INTO ANOTHER FRAME????????
Again, HOW MUCH OF A FRAME CAN BE CUT OFF AND REPLACED BEFORE IT BECOMES ILLEGAL????????
And here is my question.
If a car is badly wrecked, and the frame is bent, twisted, buckled, whatever (for example, the car is rearended and the rear part of the frame is buckled), and the rear of the frame is cut off and a new rear frame section is welded on, JUST HOW MUCH OF THE FRAME CAN BE REPLACED AND STILL RETAIN THE VIN???????????????????
So, now, one step further. If MOST of the frame is badly bent-------------BUT THE CENTER PORTION OF THE LEFT FRAME RAIL IS STILL STRAIGHT, WHY CAN'T THAT PART OF THE FRAME RAIL WITH THE VIN BE SPLICED INTO ANOTHER FRAME????????
Again, HOW MUCH OF A FRAME CAN BE CUT OFF AND REPLACED BEFORE IT BECOMES ILLEGAL????????
ok. I have no answers, and I did originally inquire...If I am keeping 80 percent of the original frame. And it matches my original motor, trans and rear diff....I think one could re-do the vin in the original location(s)...nothing crooked about it.....I do appreciate the comments......but....
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ok. I have no answers, and I did originally inquire...If I am keeping 80 percent of the original frame. And it matches my original motor, trans and rear diff....I think one could re-do the vin in the original location(s)...nothing crooked about it.....I do appreciate the comments......but....
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ok. I have no answers, and I did originally inquire...If I am keeping 80 percent of the original frame. And it matches my original motor, trans and rear diff....I think one could re-do the vin in the original location(s)...nothing crooked about it.....I do appreciate the comments......but....
You don't want to stamp it wrong...
Could make for some interesting legal/lawyer issues if you sell it out of state..
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Interesting; sort of. I expect that whatever I do, I am the responsible party....I'll be cautious.....
My original question wasn't really about the legality, but rather, could I do it and what is required. If done, I will accept whatever legal repercussions....
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This issue has come up 8 bazillion times-----------------AND I'VE NEVER HAD AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER!!!!!!!!
And here is my question.
If a car is badly wrecked, and the frame is bent, twisted, buckled, whatever (for example, the car is rearended and the rear part of the frame is buckled), and the rear of the frame is cut off and a new rear frame section is welded on, JUST HOW MUCH OF THE FRAME CAN BE REPLACED AND STILL RETAIN THE VIN???????????????????
So, now, one step further. If MOST of the frame is badly bent-------------BUT THE CENTER PORTION OF THE LEFT FRAME RAIL IS STILL STRAIGHT, WHY CAN'T THAT PART OF THE FRAME RAIL WITH THE VIN BE SPLICED INTO ANOTHER FRAME????????
Again, HOW MUCH OF A FRAME CAN BE CUT OFF AND REPLACED BEFORE IT BECOMES ILLEGAL????????
And here is my question.
If a car is badly wrecked, and the frame is bent, twisted, buckled, whatever (for example, the car is rearended and the rear part of the frame is buckled), and the rear of the frame is cut off and a new rear frame section is welded on, JUST HOW MUCH OF THE FRAME CAN BE REPLACED AND STILL RETAIN THE VIN???????????????????
So, now, one step further. If MOST of the frame is badly bent-------------BUT THE CENTER PORTION OF THE LEFT FRAME RAIL IS STILL STRAIGHT, WHY CAN'T THAT PART OF THE FRAME RAIL WITH THE VIN BE SPLICED INTO ANOTHER FRAME????????
Again, HOW MUCH OF A FRAME CAN BE CUT OFF AND REPLACED BEFORE IT BECOMES ILLEGAL????????
The short answer is, check with your state.