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Old 10-22-2014, 08:06 PM
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Can someone decipher the stamping on my case and tell me if it is a Saginaw and what car it belongs to, or date?








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My original 1962 3 speed has the number 1102174, casting date 2B16 or Feb. 16, 1962. Not sure what your trans is for but it's not for 62.
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Supposed to be for a '59.
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I'm pretty sure it came in my car originally. The corporate blue was throwing me off.
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The CASTING date on the tail housing APPEARS to be E87, which translates to May 8, 1957. A date code of 6 months PRIOR to the build of a car is considered as the maximum lead time for parts------------------but not 2yrs. Thus, that tail housing (and maybe the rest of the tranny) was built way to early for a 59 car.
Also, ALL early Corvette (as well as passenger car) 3spds were ONLY Saginaw up through 65. In 66, the 3spds were upgraded to a fully synchronized 3sp and they were still made by Saginaw.
Thus, your tranny for sure is a Saginaw 3sp, but I do not recognize the casting number on that tail housing.
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Our guess is its a light-duty Muncie 3spd with the drum-style synchronizers which was used from 1955 to 1961 or so. For this to be possible, the casting number would have to be "3737xxx" While I don't show a listing for 3737087, its entirely possible it did exist. Can you take a wider angle shot of the gearbox? It would certainly help make a more accurate diagnosis. There were several early variations of 3spds, Light-Duty Muncie 3spd, HD Muncie 3spd, and the Saginaw are the most common. Pontiac also had the "Dearborn" 3spd later on, which was a design by some engineers at Ford.

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The CASTING date on the tail housing APPEARS to be E87, which translates to May 8, 1957. A date code of 6 months PRIOR to the build of a car is considered as the maximum lead time for parts------------------but not 2yrs. Thus, that tail housing (and maybe the rest of the tranny) was built way to early for a 59 car.
Also, ALL early Corvette (as well as passenger car) 3spds were ONLY Saginaw up through 65. In 66, the 3spds were upgraded to a fully synchronized 3sp and they were still made by Saginaw.
Thus, your tranny for sure is a Saginaw 3sp, but I do not recognize the casting number on that tail housing.
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Originally Posted by 59BlueSilver
Can someone decipher the stamping on my case and tell me if it is a Saginaw and what car it belongs to, or date?
That's not the main case casting number - it's the tailhousing, which was only used in '61-'62. What's the casting number on the main case?
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
That's not the main case casting number - it's the tailhousing, which was only used in '61-'62. What's the casting number on the main case?
And that date code looks more like E 8 1 (May 8, 1961) to me.
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Okay, better pics. The numbers look to me like:
main case - 3743368 D263
side plate - 3731911
Tail housing - E81 3787087











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Originally Posted by 59BlueSilver
Okay, better pics. The numbers look to me like:
main case - 3743368 D263
side plate - 3731911
Tail housing - E81 3787087
It's a "mix-n-match" Corvette rebuild, with a 1963 main case and a 1961 tailhousing.
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I do know that first gear is not synchronized. So is it a Saginaw?
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Originally Posted by emccomas
And that date code looks more like E 8 1 (May 8, 1961) to me.
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I took a closer look at it. I believe your are exactly correct.
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Originally Posted by 59BlueSilver
I do know that first gear is not synchronized. So is it a Saginaw?
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Corvette 3spds were made by Saginaw, including the fully synchronized 3spds that were introduced in the 66 model.
The 55-65 3spds (NON-syncro in 1st gear) were simply an upgrade/improvement from the 3spds going way back into the 40s. The arrangement of the guts is nearly identical. The Chevy 3spds up through 54 were mated to an enclosed (torque tube----sound familiar???) driveshaft. The design and arrangement of all the gears was basically unchanged (early 40s up to 65).
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Originally Posted by DZAUTO
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL Corvette 3spds were made by Saginaw, including the fully synchronized 3spds that were introduced in the 66 model.
The 55-65 3spds (NON-syncro in 1st gear) were simply an upgrade/improvement from the 3spds going way back into the 40s. The arrangement of the guts is nearly identical. The Chevy 3spds up through 54 were mated to an enclosed (torque tube----sound familiar???) driveshaft. The design and arrangement of all the gears was basically unchanged (early 40s up to 65).
Okay, that clears that up. So it's not original to a '59 like I thought. Always wondered about it. Thanks, as always, for the info.
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Originally Posted by 59BlueSilver
Okay, that clears that up. So it's not original to a '59 like I thought. Always wondered about it. Thanks, as always, for the info.
Even though it may be a mixed combination of parts, if it works fine and doesn't make any weird noises, don't be in a rush to discard it--------------------------unless of course, your objective is to swap in a 4sp.
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Originally Posted by DZAUTO
Even though it may be a mixed combination of parts, if it works fine and doesn't make any weird noises, don't be in a rush to discard it--------------------------unless of course, your objective is to swap in a 4sp.
That's why it's out. I installed a BW T10 4 speed, but the 3 speed ran fine. I was saving it because I thought it was original to the car.

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