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Old 01-14-2015, 09:49 AM
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Default 61' Voltage Regulator 1119001D Correct Output Voltage / Troubleshooting

I have what I presume is an AGM tar top reproduction battery in the car. Things seemed to have worked fine until my correctly dated regulator was installed (and I did the polarizing). Of course bad me I didn't do a baseline voltage check with the Bosch regulator.

With either the engine idling or at fast idle the VOM shows about 12.54 volts at the battery where I'm assuming with a almost fully charged battery should be more like 14.2 volts (slightly less at slow idle since it's a generator). The battery gauge shows a slight discharge.

With engine off the VOM shows 12.74 volts. The air temperature is 72, and I have the regulator on the fender open and with an extra ground just to make sure.

Is my "new" regulator caput? Or? Troubleshooting ideas?
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I checked the points with a magnifier and there isn't any noticeable pitting or burn marks. Nothing else looks smoked. Pic is it sitting on the fender with the extra ground attached. A load test with my Schumacher shows the battery to be good.
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Old 01-14-2015, 11:16 AM
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After talking to a local old time shop put the old Bosch regulator back in service. Now charges at slightly over 13 volts. Will need to RMA the "new" regulator back for a redo.
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You almost certainly didn't need to polarize anything with a V/R swap. BTW - you are polarizing the residual magnetism in the generator -- nothing to do with the V/R.
That magnetism might (repeat might) degrade if you had your generator out of the car for 30 years...

IIRC Pirkle is the guy to send those components to for world-class refurbishment.
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You have one of the good old adjustable regulators there, if the points are OK, follow the adjustment procedure outlined in the 61 passenger car shop manual. I have played with that and you can certainly increase the VR output with the engine running above idle. Couple of things I notice from your picture, the ground wire does not appear to be making a solid connection on top of that gasket. That would prevent you from getting a charge. Either remove the gasket and tighten it down or better yet ( if judging is not an issue) drill a dedicated hole (in the base to the right of the blue wire) for a dedicated ground. That's the way GM did it with ALL the replacement regulators. Pilot Dan
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The '61 passenger manual (page 9-24) says to bridge the two contacts briefly when putting in a new regulator so that's why I did it. I had a secondary ground for testing. I'm going to have the vendor fix it just in case something else is wrong - worried that if I adjust it, which I could, they might not warranty it. I had two grounds for testing.

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