Overheating
05-31-2015, 09:29 PM
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Overheating
A few days ago I posted asking if my temp sending unit may be going bad. I was advised to check the temp with an IR gun which I did today. The sending unit seems to be fine. Here are the numbers after a warm up drive:
Temp at T stat housing - 238
At upper radiator hose just past T stat housing - 205
At upper radiator hose at radiator inlet - 185
At lower radiator hose at radiator outlet - 135
Gauge in car reads just below the red "Hot" zone - consistent with reading from T stat housing. Temp is pretty constant whether running at 40 mph or idling at light. The ambient outside temp here today is 100 (Phoenix). Earlier in the year when the outside temps were in the 70s, the gauge would hold right around the first mark (180?). Now, with 30* more ambient heat, the car is running ~ 50* hotter. The car in question is a '66 with L79 and factory A/C.
Any ideas as to why I'm getting such high temps? The radiator (after market copper/brass) seems to be doing its job (50* drop in temp inlet to outlet). Would timing cause this much heat gain (I don't have a working timing light so can't report timing at the moment). What else to look at? I know it is missing the upper radiator seal (and maybe the lower, too) but the temp doesn't drop even at speed.
I hate overheating issues!
- Jeff
Temp at T stat housing - 238
At upper radiator hose just past T stat housing - 205
At upper radiator hose at radiator inlet - 185
At lower radiator hose at radiator outlet - 135
Gauge in car reads just below the red "Hot" zone - consistent with reading from T stat housing. Temp is pretty constant whether running at 40 mph or idling at light. The ambient outside temp here today is 100 (Phoenix). Earlier in the year when the outside temps were in the 70s, the gauge would hold right around the first mark (180?). Now, with 30* more ambient heat, the car is running ~ 50* hotter. The car in question is a '66 with L79 and factory A/C.
Any ideas as to why I'm getting such high temps? The radiator (after market copper/brass) seems to be doing its job (50* drop in temp inlet to outlet). Would timing cause this much heat gain (I don't have a working timing light so can't report timing at the moment). What else to look at? I know it is missing the upper radiator seal (and maybe the lower, too) but the temp doesn't drop even at speed.
I hate overheating issues!
- Jeff
05-31-2015, 09:49 PM
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I think you need the correct radiator. Dewitts aluminum correct unit. 
Dennis
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05-31-2015, 10:16 PM
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Jeff:
I had been having similar problems with my '65 327/365. I also have AC. I live in LA and our temps are somewhat like yours usually. My lower radiator shroud seal was missing. I was encouraged to get one (Powershift recommended getting it from Dr. Rebuild). I did get it, installed it today, and saw a big improvement in temp. If you are missing yours I suggest you install one.
I had been having similar problems with my '65 327/365. I also have AC. I live in LA and our temps are somewhat like yours usually. My lower radiator shroud seal was missing. I was encouraged to get one (Powershift recommended getting it from Dr. Rebuild). I did get it, installed it today, and saw a big improvement in temp. If you are missing yours I suggest you install one.
05-31-2015, 10:56 PM
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Especially for a factory air car in Arizona in the summer. Plus the special AC upper and lower radiator seals and lower shroud extension and a good working fan clutch are also required even with the DeWitts restoration radiator.I don't understand the significant temperature difference between the thermostat housing (238 F) and the upper radiator hose at the radiator inlet (185 F). The IR gun may be having issues with the different reflective surfaces of the metal and rubber.
I would also shoot the temperature sending unit with the IR gun and also get a resistance (ohm) reading from this sending unit at the same time.
Larry
05-31-2015, 11:18 PM
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Thank you for your responses. Now that I know about the A/C seals, I will be ordering them. However, if my IR readings can be beleived, I'm getting a respectable temp drop between inlet and outlet (both taken on the hoses). I will try shooting the temp sending unit and get an ohm reading and let you know what I find.
I'm still wondering if timing and air/fuel mix could raise the temp that much. The car idles and runs fine but I don't have readings for either. What else could generate that much heat internally?
- Jeff
I'm still wondering if timing and air/fuel mix could raise the temp that much. The car idles and runs fine but I don't have readings for either. What else could generate that much heat internally?
- Jeff
06-01-2015, 12:07 AM
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Thank you for your responses. Now that I know about the A/C seals, I will be ordering them. However, if my IR readings can be beleived, I'm getting a respectable temp drop between inlet and outlet (both taken on the hoses). I will try shooting the temp sending unit and get an ohm reading and let you know what I find.
I'm still wondering if timing and air/fuel mix could raise the temp that much. The car idles and runs fine but I don't have readings for either. What else could generate that much heat internally?
- Jeff
I'm still wondering if timing and air/fuel mix could raise the temp that much. The car idles and runs fine but I don't have readings for either. What else could generate that much heat internally?
- Jeff
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06-01-2015, 06:39 AM
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I would consider doing a chemical flush of the cooling system, as it is easier than pulling freeze plugs, at least as a first attempt at cleaning up potentially clogged cooling passenges. The stuff works great if you have softer oxides of iron slugging up your water jackets.
Prestone makes a weak morpholine solution used for flushing cooling systems that is very effective. Just follow the directions, and take a look at the color of your coolant after flushing with it. I do not recommend leaving it in for days as others may have done.
Know that if you have corroded-over cooling system micro-leaks that it may cause those to fail, starting a leak, but they would have gone sooner or later anyway, and usually not at a time and place of your choosing.
Prestone makes a weak morpholine solution used for flushing cooling systems that is very effective. Just follow the directions, and take a look at the color of your coolant after flushing with it. I do not recommend leaving it in for days as others may have done.
Know that if you have corroded-over cooling system micro-leaks that it may cause those to fail, starting a leak, but they would have gone sooner or later anyway, and usually not at a time and place of your choosing.
06-01-2015, 12:12 PM
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Thank you for your responses. Now that I know about the A/C seals, I will be ordering them. However, if my IR readings can be beleived, I'm getting a respectable temp drop between inlet and outlet (both taken on the hoses). I will try shooting the temp sending unit and get an ohm reading and let you know what I find.
I'm still wondering if timing and air/fuel mix could raise the temp that much. The car idles and runs fine but I don't have readings for either. What else could generate that much heat internally?
- Jeff
I'm still wondering if timing and air/fuel mix could raise the temp that much. The car idles and runs fine but I don't have readings for either. What else could generate that much heat internally?
- Jeff
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06-01-2015, 02:51 PM
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Lower Radiator Seal
06-01-2015, 02:54 PM
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Tom,
As far as I know, the motor is untouched (I have receipts back to 1981 and it hasn't been touched since then). 62K miles as of now.
I got a suggestion that the t-stat may be partially closed. I may pull it and see what difference that makes.
- Jeff
As far as I know, the motor is untouched (I have receipts back to 1981 and it hasn't been touched since then). 62K miles as of now.
I got a suggestion that the t-stat may be partially closed. I may pull it and see what difference that makes.
- Jeff
06-02-2015, 10:54 AM
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06-02-2015, 01:50 PM
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Just a thought, were you using the A/C also when the temp was in the 70's? I would think you were while driving when the temp was 100.
The hot air coming from the condenser has to go thru the radiator and is much higher than the ambient.
Also there were a few problems caused by over charged A/C systems. If the A/C is over charged with either oil or gas it will cause the condenser to get much hotter and that hot air has to go thru the radiator.
Just a thought.
Dom
The hot air coming from the condenser has to go thru the radiator and is much higher than the ambient.
Also there were a few problems caused by over charged A/C systems. If the A/C is over charged with either oil or gas it will cause the condenser to get much hotter and that hot air has to go thru the radiator.
Just a thought.
Dom
06-02-2015, 02:00 PM
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Just a thought, were you using the A/C also when the temp was in the 70's? I would think you were while driving when the temp was 100.
The hot air coming from the condenser has to go thru the radiator and is much higher than the ambient.
Also there were a few problems caused by over charged A/C systems. If the A/C is over charged with either oil or gas it will cause the condenser to get much hotter and that hot air has to go thru the radiator.
Just a thought.
Dom
The hot air coming from the condenser has to go thru the radiator and is much higher than the ambient.
Also there were a few problems caused by over charged A/C systems. If the A/C is over charged with either oil or gas it will cause the condenser to get much hotter and that hot air has to go thru the radiator.
Just a thought.
Dom
I may just button the car back up without one and see how it goes. That, or go buy a cheap pot (and a thermometer - I'm sure she'll object to me using that, too).
- Jeff
06-02-2015, 02:59 PM
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Jeff,
If you run the motor without a stat it will overheat. The coolant will move too quickly through the radiator. Better just buy a new one as they are cheap and be done with that question.
Steve
If you run the motor without a stat it will overheat. The coolant will move too quickly through the radiator. Better just buy a new one as they are cheap and be done with that question.
Steve
06-02-2015, 03:11 PM
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- Jeff
06-02-2015, 03:15 PM
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06-02-2015, 03:16 PM
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160 is too cool in cooler months and it will not make problems disappear in the Summer either. And it's bad for the oil / engine to run too cool. Like you said if it works it works.
Steve
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06-02-2015, 05:27 PM
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