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Frank, FWIW, the gas pedal in your post #1 is a reproduction part. If you compair the vertical grooves on the ends in Rich's post #41 and look at your pedal the difference will be obvious.
I would not be surprised if there are other more important differences with the repro part, the GM service pedal was a truck pedal, you may have seen these.
I can't help but wonder about how all this comes together and could possible relate to my issue that I described in a earlier post. If there is anyone that feels like checking if there lever hits the firewall at WOT (like described in the AIM) or stops short because it hits at the bend in the firewall near where it bolts to the rod by the bellhousing I would appreciate it.
HEY! Another business opportunity. Generating pages of the AIM with stuff on it that YOU want on your car.
I'm gonna copyright this idea.
Ed
I still don't see the sigs, but the block must have been a reality.
Since this discussion started, there has been a dim light come on and I think at one time, I knew this spacer block existed. Too much water over the dam.
I'll take the word of the guys I discussed this with and you know who they are.
I don't doubt I have a repro pedal...but I'll look at it more closely to confirm.
LICS has two repro pedals....one is "BEST", so I assume the other is not so great... The distinction drawn between the quality of the two concerns the rounding of the pedals' upper corners.
I see no indication in any documentation, nor on any vendor site that there were two different, original pedals for '63...but stranger things have happened.
Philip's head 1" cadmium bolts for the gas pedal....Zip has them....
They also have correct seat mount bolts (I just replaced those too)...
I'm still using the pedal that's on the car; but Zip has those too...
Bet they dont' have the correct seat mount bolts if they are 3/4"long. Mine appear to be original and they are 1" long. Any shorter would not work, at least with my carpet which is reproduction. The bolts have the encased washer and RBW on top, I think.
Bet they dont' have the correct seat mount bolts if they are 3/4"long. Mine appear to be original and they are 1" long. Any shorter would not work, at least with my carpet which is reproduction. The bolts have the encased washer and RBW on top, I think.
I don't know how to respond... I had two original seat bolts (correct head markings, etc.) The Zip repros matched those exactly so I'm happy with them...
I don't doubt I have a repro pedal...but I'll look at it more closely to confirm.
LICS has two repro pedals....one is "BEST", so I assume the other is not so great... The distinction drawn between the quality of the two concerns the rounding of the pedals' upper corners.
I see no indication in any documentation, nor on any vendor site that there were two different, original pedals for '63...but stranger things have happened.
Frankie I am getting my LIC "BEST" pedal today. The grooves in it look just like my original. If you want a pic of the repro I'm getting just ask.
Got my repro gas pedal today from LIC. It's a little thicker but good quality.
Pics are of my original vs LIC "Best" as they describe gas pedal.
I like it and will see how it works-I dont expect any problems.
Bet they dont' have the correct seat mount bolts if they are 3/4"long. Mine appear to be original and they are 1" long. Any shorter would not work, at least with my carpet which is reproduction. The bolts have the encased washer and RBW on top, I think.
Carpet thickness doesn't affect the length of that bolt - the seat track feet bolt flat to the floor pan, with the carpet cut away around it.
Carpet thickness doesn't affect the length of that bolt - the seat track feet bolt flat to the floor pan, with the carpet cut away around it.
OK, makes senses. I have Knoch carpet and they put the seat tracks on top of the carpet, which I'm glad they did. Plus they put hush mat, or something like that. My bolts are 1" long and pointed on the end like they were made to go thru carpet, and have patina on them before I wire brush and painted.
OK, makes senses. I have Knoch carpet and they put the seat tracks on top of the carpet, which I'm glad they did. Plus they put hush mat, or something like that. My bolts are 1" long and pointed on the end like they were made to go thru carpet, and have patina on them before I wire brush and painted.
My 63 seat mounts are on the floor under the rugs. Rugs have a flap to get to the bolts. Shouldn't the mounting be under the rug? (rug-flaps pulled back for access)
My 63 seat mounts are on the floor under the rugs. Rugs have a flap to get to the bolts. Shouldn't the mounting be under the rug? (rug-flaps pulled back for access)
Frankie, the extent that you are going is why I sold the car....I realized I was not a matching anything guy...not my gig. But glad to see you wrestling the details. I can tell you are having fun and that's what this hobby is all about.
I can't give any insight on the pedal assay as it was like that when I bought it. I do know the previous owner had gone through the interior (except the dash which you tackled).
Frankie, the extent that you are going is why I sold the car....I realized I was not a matching anything guy...not my gig. But glad to see you wrestling the details. I can tell you are having fun and that's what this hobby is all about.
I can't give any insight on the pedal assay as it was like that when I bought it. I do know the previous owner had gone through the interior (except the dash which you tackled).
Have fun!
Some time you'll have to get down and see your 'ole gal in her current condition. You'd be proud....short of Vintage Air, Detroit Speed, quartz clock and aftermarket radio....she's like showroom now. And I could revert back to original easily on 3 of those things. Could on the A/C too - but not easily and don't want to
So - Frank's and John's comments and the LIC statement of "correct for '63 to '67" got me intrigued, since I know my '67 never had a spacer as previously stated.
I went and pulled out my '67 AIM and looked at the 3 pages shown in the attachment. The first two detailing the gas pedal make it pretty clear that there was no spacer. BUT - the third page appears to show a spacer under the carpet, as indicated by the faint dotted line outline shown in "View B", item 6, "3863736 spacer - carpet heel pad"
I don't know what to think at this point........... But I d@mn sure know I'm not gonna add one just because 1 page in the AIM alludes to it, when its worked just fine without it for the 44 years I've owned it!
Last edited by tuxnharley; 07-24-2015 at 09:43 PM.
Reason: addl comment
So - Frank's and John's comments and the LIC statement of "correct for '63 to '67" got me intrigued, since I know my '67 never had a spacer as previously stated.
If it didn't have a spacer, what kept the base of the accelerator pedal from distorting down into the pocket when the two screws were tightened?
Wow, I haven't checked-in in a while. This got really interesting......
So I just reinstalled a rebuilt heater box in this '67 I have here, and new dash harness all plugged in to the cluster ready to go in, pedal box ready to go back too, interior basically in shambles, but you guys made me tear out the gas pedal and check........
IIRC, the repro I got for our '63 was a bit thicker.
If it didn't have a spacer, what kept the base of the accelerator pedal from distorting down into the pocket when the two screws were tightened?
John - at this point I'm not really sure what to say in the form of a definitive statement about this, as both the AIM drawings and anecdotal evidence from both myself and others in this thread seem to be in conflict - i.e., some show/have the spacer, and others do not.
As to a specific answer to your question, in my case I would say the rubber/plastic "pad 3897410" shown on AIM F11 view A which goes under the pedal base fills/bridges under the bases sufficiently to allow the screws to be tightened. No pocket formed there in my car.
All I know for sure is that I bought the car from the original owner - whom I knew - in 1971 with original carpet. When i replaced the carpet about 10 years ago there was no spacer, and I did not install one. The accelerator pedal has operated properly in the 44 years I have owned the car without benefit of a spacer.
Others in this thread have said their car did not have a spacer as well.
Why not? Who knows? Not needed ? Assembly line error? I have no answers.
07-23-2015, 05:53 PM
But I d@mn sure know I'm not gonna add one just because 1 page in the AIM alludes to it, when its worked just fine without it for the 44 years I've owned it!
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