Frame off or Body off? A better term.
02-01-2016, 10:42 PM
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Burning Brakes
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Frame off or Body off? A better term.
Either way, how much does that say?
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
02-01-2016, 11:28 PM
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Le Mans Master
meh.
02-01-2016, 11:31 PM
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I agree....a nut and bolt restoration!
There wasn't one nut, bolt or screw that was left untouched.
I was kind of worried about it, but as I get older I seem to develop a very rare characteristic in me.....Patience! LOL!
I actually enjoyed the build when I didn't try to complete it in two weeks.
Pat
There wasn't one nut, bolt or screw that was left untouched.
I was kind of worried about it, but as I get older I seem to develop a very rare characteristic in me.....Patience! LOL!
I actually enjoyed the build when I didn't try to complete it in two weeks.
Pat
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02-02-2016, 05:40 AM
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I agree, I've always used that term. I've been at my "nut and bolt" restoration for about 7 months and hope to be finished in another 3 - 4 months. Although it won't be an original resto, every nut, bolt and component will be new or refurbished. Fun and entertaining too.
02-02-2016, 06:58 AM
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Frame off - Body off frame. Doesn't really matter what you call it. Quality of rebuild is determned by actual work performed.
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02-02-2016, 07:02 AM
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another meh. 
02-02-2016, 07:34 AM
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Depending on my mood, the time of day, or the weather, I've referred to restorations as "body off", "body on", "frame up", "full nut & bolt", and "rattle can", but I don't think I've ever used "frame off".
I don't think frame off makes much sense, but does it really matter? If it's your car you're talking about, you can describe it however you like.
I don't think frame off makes much sense, but does it really matter? If it's your car you're talking about, you can describe it however you like.
02-02-2016, 08:26 AM
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Either way, how much does that say?
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
02-02-2016, 03:51 PM
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Either way, how much does that say?
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
My 62, C-1 corvette, is a good candidate for a resto rod because the ash tray lid is not original
Who cares about NCRS correct?
the guy who then picks your car apart suggesting it is worth only 10K and then wants 70 K for his non compliant NCRS corvette
My 63 split window coupe.....
A vette just drove up and wears a FI unit under the hood and the guy asks, how can you tell if it is really a fuel injected car. Duh!
Same way you can tell if a red colored corvette is painted red.
Yeah, that car is just a 'driver'. Ah so, a 'driver' is a piece of junk and an exception to everyone else's vette, which are all kept in atmospherically controlled vaults and never driven. Ban the term, DRIVER!!!!!
Body off means the wreck was so bad the body had to be removed to fix the frame.
'numbers match' means that your birthday and the car's vin contain at least 3 duplicate numbers.
Nut and bolt restorations mean at least 15% of the fasteners have been taken apart and put back together.
Side pipes are too noisy and a source of irritation and mitigate horsepower !!!!!!!! deduct 2k if the car has sidepipes.
My 1960, C-1 corvette rides too harsh, especially over RR tracks!
can someone help me put my hardtop on my 1957, C-1, corvette...pleeeease?
the car took an NCRS top flight.....oops! that was before it was stolen and the parts stripped and after the insurance company would only pay for cheap repro parts and repaired by a local body shop who had never worked on an old corvette.
Solid frame.....frame is made of solid metal, sure there are soft areas, but its mostly solid.
Have you not learned from the sitting president that words are only air passing from the lungs over the tongue and lips to disturb the atmosphere and create unintelligible sounds ?
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02-02-2016, 04:29 PM
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To me, "Frame Off" implies that the vehicle is upside-down - I've never worked on an upside-down car.
02-02-2016, 04:48 PM
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I have gotten too old and stiff to climb around under a car to restore it. Way easier to just flip it upside down to work on it!
Regards, John McGraw
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02-02-2016, 05:06 PM
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Burning Brakes
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It makes a difference to a potential buyer from 1000 miles away that wants to know what kind of restoration was done.
I don't care if you want to call it "frame off" or "body off".
my point was that either one doesn't mean that everything was done.
Also, I was just posting a thought. If you don't care, move on.
Respectfully,
LP
I don't care if you want to call it "frame off" or "body off".
my point was that either one doesn't mean that everything was done.
Also, I was just posting a thought. If you don't care, move on.
Respectfully,
LP
Last edited by Larry P; 02-02-2016 at 05:07 PM.
02-02-2016, 05:24 PM
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Seriously though.... I think it's a little crazy to try to come up with a 3 or 4 word term that's going to precisely define the 1000+ decisions made during a restoration.
02-02-2016, 05:55 PM
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It makes a difference to a potential buyer from 1000 miles away that wants to know what kind of restoration was done.
I don't care if you want to call it "frame off" or "body off".
my point was that either one doesn't mean that everything was done.
Also, I was just posting a thought. If you don't care, move on.
Respectfully,
LP
I don't care if you want to call it "frame off" or "body off".
my point was that either one doesn't mean that everything was done.
Also, I was just posting a thought. If you don't care, move on.
Respectfully,
LP
02-02-2016, 07:03 PM
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Safety Car
Either way, how much does that say?
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
We hear “frame off” and know it is actually “body off”.
Either term does not define what was actually performed.
If I do a “body off” and use the old rusted gas tank????
I propose a term that defines what you have done with a full restoration.
I prefer to call mine a “nut and bolt” restoration.
A "nut and bolt" restoration would indicate that the car was
dismantled and rebuilt with EVERY part being a new or like new.
You could then define that it was with NCRS standards or not.
A “NUT AND BOLT” restoration would simply mean that it was built
with every single part being a good original, NOS or a good reproduction.
It is more definitive then “frame off”.
LP
