Railroadman

Yup, that's right. Nothing to worry about. Wait and see if it passes, and THEN start doing something about it.

That attitude is why we have all the goofy and oppressive .gov crap we do, because nobody thought it was anything to worry about until too late.

GTOguy

In the automotive industry in CA, where I am, cut-points for exhaust emissions are continuously being tightened up and lowered. The goal is to get people to buy new cars and to crush the old ones in the name of the almighty dollar. Pre-'96 cars that are running as designed can no longer pass emissions testing in some cases due to ever-tightening limit levels. Had this happen with my 3x2 '66 GTO in 1984: all of the sudden, multiple carbureted cars were no longer exempt, and had to pass strict tailpipe standards. My car was unable to pass. It's like requiring a human to run the 100 yard dash faster every year he lives. If he lives to be 90, he must run it in 9.0 seconds or get exterminated. Outrageous.

PAmotorman

when the people vote for someone just because a black man needs a chance to run the country and said he was going to bankrupt the coal companies what do you expect when it comes to auto racing that uses fossil fuel ??

MikeM

Or move like many have done.

Railroadman

A huge part of the problem is our failure to recognize and deal with REALITY. A goof example is Obama - even in a post here, he was referred to as a black man, when in reality is is bi-racial and is just as much white as he is black.

Likewise, the alarmists cry about global warming and climate change, and expect everyone to accept it as truth. Reality is that there have been cycles and changes in weather patterns forever. The ice ages came and went without any help from diesel trucks, coal fired power plants, or anything else Man did.

So we are expected to quietly accept that modifying a race car engine is causing such drastic harm to the world that we need to ban it? This at a time when other countries have little or no regulation on their industries and practices? It's time we collectively stood up and told our politicians we're done with blindly accepting whatever we are told is good for us.

The proposed regulation is based on , not on reality.

AZDoug

I don't think so.

We just went through this in the firearms industry with a different proposed reg by ATF.

Thanks to getting the word out, and lobbying by industry groups, the ATFs proposal was FLOODED with negative comments on their reg by the public, it was modified to much more palatable reg that fixed a possible loophole, without denying millions of people certain firearms.

Ignoring stuff like this just lets the dictators have their way.

Doug

AZDoug

Bureaucrats care not about reality.

Back in 1975 the EPA proposed banning the Indy 500 because it was wasting precious gasoline. Never mind the cars ran on alcohol. I suppose some gas would have been saved had no spectators would drive to a non-event.

This is about power and control, not results.

Doug

johnny c

http://click.message.sema.org/?qs=83...235d91d71942db

here is the link guys to support SEMA and their lobbying efforts.

Signed, Guys I suggest you do the same.

the EPA released a statement to racer.com saying that they have only "changed the wording" in the clean air act. for those that haven't worked in government, a wording change is another way of saying "changing the rules without congress". Basically what the EPA said was that modifying cars for racing have always been illegal. We all know that if you pull your smog stuff you lose can your tags, but now they say they don't want cars running around without it period, race tracks and off road use included.

Any human with a phone can call in a complaint to the epa. the EPA doesn't show up and wright tickets, they crush cars. So you and your buds are racing around a track. or reving the motor trying to fix something... Mr, Murphy thinks it's too loud, calls the EPA, sometimes the EPA will show up, takes every car that is in violation right then and there. They send it straight the cars to the crusher.

This wording change can Kill our industry. 36 billion/year industry down the tubes thousands out of work.

PAmotorman

the reason the conservative pols don't make a big stink about what Obama is doing is they are afraid of being called racist and hurt them in the 2016 elections. having a seat at the table is more important than doing what is right for the American people.

Frankie the Fink

Try getting an MOT in England with modified emissions. Other countries are concerned.

I don't think there is much debate that the climate is warming up; anybody that's been to Alaska and looked at the glaciers a few years apart knows that. Whether car emissions are causing the problem or its a normal pattern is the debate

PAmotorman

I would think the envirowienes would welcome global warming as that means less fossil fuel will need to be burned to keep people warm

Railroadman

AS someone said earlier it becomes self-perpetuating. To keep the beaurocracy functioning they have to keep inventing problems so they can go "fix" them.

When you look at America about 1900 or so, we had steam locomotives belching smoke everywhere, steel mills and smelters had no controls on emissions, coke ovens blotted out the sun in many places with their smoke. Granted we did not have the number of cars, but overall we are FAR cleaner here today than back then.

We have changed to unleaded gas, we have tweaked and improved both the mileage that cars get, and the amount of emissions they make driving those miles. Industrial emissions are reduced like never before.

The EPA regs are no longer about preserving and protecting the environment. They are about preserving and protecting the EPA.

DansYellow66

A kind of scary factor in this is that this proposal is fairly far along - apparently the public comment period is already closed according to the FOX news report:

"SEMA Vice President of Governmental Affairs Steve McDonald says the organization wasn’t properly notified of the proposal and originally missed it due to its inclusion in what it considers to be an unrelated rules package, but that it plans to oppose any changes to the status quo through all legal means.

The public comment period on the proposal, which is primarily concerned with the fuel efficiency and carbon dioxide emissions of large commercial vehicles, has ended. The EPA is currently reviewing submissions and expects to publish a final rule in July"

MikeM

Couldn't have been said better in fewer words. The polls are open this spring and fall.

SBR

Don't forget about paying for their health care too

CF Editor

Road & Track did a great piece on this. Nope, the sky isn't falling.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/motorspo...ctually-means/

Corvette ED

Do you think any of these dopes call Congress or the EPA know how many millions of dollars consumers spent on repairs from their mandate for 10% use of Ethanol in gas? They ram this crap down the consumers throat. None of them could tell you the effect it will have on your fuel system?

Obama and his climate change flunkies should go live at the North Pole and leave the rest us alone!!!

johnny c

i want to agree with you but in that article the EPA clearly stated that they are going after the Motorsports industry. road and track put a funny little spin on it.

DansYellow66

I'm not running around saying the sky is falling but it isn't a good idea for anyone in this hobby to be unconcerned about subterfuge like this from the liberals and Obama administration.

Of course every time Obama opens his mouth with some incoherent comment about gun control I end up running out and buying another gun. I wish he would shut the hell up - I'm spending all my car money on guns and ammo.

AZDoug

From teh R&T article:
"and more specifically with aftermarket manufacturers who sell devices that defeat emission control systems on vehicles used on public roads."

So, how is a manufacturer of an aftermarket item going to make sure it can't be used on a street legal vehicle? Other than not make or sell the item at all?

So, If EPA finds something on a street vehicle that manufacturer XYZ made, which may be advertised for off road use only, are they going to go shut that manufacturer down?

Doug