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Old 05-25-2016, 08:36 AM
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I am confused as to if there is a date code on the p/b master cylinder for 1965. The NCRS judging guide seems to say yes whereas I've read on the forum that date coding on these didn't start until 1968. Am I reading something wrong? Also if there is a date where is it located. And lastly what is "Julian" dating and what would it look like for a Sept.1964 production date. As always , indebted to all you knowledgeable people for your help, I would be lost without you!
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Originally Posted by Renwaltoys
I am confused as to if there is a date code on the p/b master cylinder for 1965. The NCRS judging guide seems to say yes whereas I've read on the forum that date coding on these didn't start until 1968. Am I reading something wrong? Also if there is a date where is it located. And lastly what is "Julian" dating and what would it look like for a Sept.1964 production date. As always , indebted to all you knowledgeable people for your help, I would be lost without you!
I believe all PB master cylinder ''BOOSTER'' is julian date coded.
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Arrow at the year (Edit: or maybe not, see kenba's note below), circle over the julian date (231 would be the 231st day of 64, if that's an 8, then 281st day)



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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
Arrow at the year, circle over the julian date (231 would be the 231st day of 64, if that's an 8, then 281st day)


The D 4 is the pattern # not a date. It is stamped in the metal pattern as there were multiple patterns per mold.
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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
Arrow at the year, circle over the julian date (231 would be the 231st day of 64, if that's an 8, then 281st day)


Is the unit pictured an original or reproduction cylinder? Thanks for your time, Duke
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Originally Posted by kenba
The D 4 is the pattern # not a date. It is stamped in the metal pattern as there were multiple patterns per mold.
Sorry, I was told and believed it to be the year. It was the same #on my 65. That picture was not mine, but the same code.
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Originally Posted by Renwaltoys
Is the unit pictured an original or reproduction cylinder? Thanks for your time, Duke
That was not mine, but this is my original for a Jan build 65


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Originally Posted by jimgessner
I believe all PB master cylinder ''BOOSTER'' is julian date coded.
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Here's another:
Dec. '64 assembly.

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If you want to have your original M/C rebuilt I had a really good experience with White Post Restoration.

btw - They do NOT recommend the use of silicone brake fluid.

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Originally Posted by kenba
The D 4 is the pattern # not a date. It is stamped in the metal pattern as there were multiple patterns per mold.
Correct - the "D" is for the Central Foundry Division Danville foundry.
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[QUOTE=rfn026;1592293198]If you want to have your original M/C rebuilt I had a really good experience with White Post Restoration.

btw - They do NOT recommend the use of silicone brake fluid.

The owner ("Billy", who died about three years ago), was paranoid about DOT5 silicone fluid, probably due to how some 50-year-old rubber seals reacted to it. He's gone now, but the myth continues..

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Originally Posted by Renwaltoys
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I just installed Lone Star o-ring conversion kits in the '66. They told me to stay away from Dot 5 because there have been some failures recently. They are asking every customer with 0-ring failures to disclose exactly which Dot 5 they were using and the investigation continues.

Apple hydraulics in NY who sleeved my master cylinder told me not to use Dot 5 unless I use the expensive version and to stay away from ''cheap store brand'' Dot 5.

The owner of Lone Star swears nothing beats a good heavy duty Dot 3 because it's been consistently good for over 30 years. Either way, it's always best to flush out Dot 3 every few years and replace it.
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Originally Posted by JohnZ
Correct - the "D" is for the Central Foundry Division Danville foundry.
Yes I should have said that & the wheel next to it is the Central foundry logo.
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Originally Posted by kenba
Yes I should have said that & the wheel next to it is the Central foundry logo.
So, what is the "4"?
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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
So, what is the "4"?
"4" is the pattern number that was used to create the sand mold for that particular casting (the mold is destroyed after the casting has cooled and has gone through the "shake-out" table to remove the sand). Foundry patterns were either stainless steel or cast iron, were used to create thousands of molds, and numbering them (when there was more than one being used at the same time) allowed for internal traceability; if there was a quality problem with a casting, the pattern number would take a process engineer right to the source of the problem.
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Originally Posted by 65GGvert
So, what is the "4"?
Pattern # See my post above.

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