[C1] 57 "Barn Find" value
08-19-2016, 07:11 PM
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08-20-2016, 09:12 AM
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Hi,
As quite a few people have said, I think it is better to keep it than sell it. I sold my '70 Challenger RT when I moved to Europe. I bought the car in High school, and had it 24 years. It seemed like a god idea to sell it at the time, but my wife said I should keep it. Sadly I did not listen to her
Ken
As quite a few people have said, I think it is better to keep it than sell it. I sold my '70 Challenger RT when I moved to Europe. I bought the car in High school, and had it 24 years. It seemed like a god idea to sell it at the time, but my wife said I should keep it. Sadly I did not listen to her
Ken
08-20-2016, 08:42 PM
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08-21-2016, 06:39 PM
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I would never sell that car. One owner 57's are very rare!!!
08-23-2016, 10:52 AM
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You talk about a broken ring in the engine. I would remove the plugs and do a WET and DRY compression test. The results may help you with decisions about a complete rebuilt. VALVE GUIDES will definitely need to be replaced after 59 years.
08-23-2016, 11:07 AM
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I'm 58. My Dad and I shared a passion for unique cars. Shortly before his health took a turn, we made plans to get this car running. I guess a little history on this vehicle might interest a few:
In 1954 my Dad bought his first Corvette - pennant blue. In July '57 he decided to buy a black/red 270hp w/RPO 684 HD Suspension. He placed the order with Brokaw Chevrolet in Redondo Beach. A few weeks later they called and told him his car had arrived. What arrived was this car. The dealer told him "that's it, no more '57's" were available and he could wait for a '58. He traded the '54 on this car.
In 1954 my Dad bought his first Corvette - pennant blue. In July '57 he decided to buy a black/red 270hp w/RPO 684 HD Suspension. He placed the order with Brokaw Chevrolet in Redondo Beach. A few weeks later they called and told him his car had arrived. What arrived was this car. The dealer told him "that's it, no more '57's" were available and he could wait for a '58. He traded the '54 on this car.
They say, 51 cars made were RPO 684. To date ''we'' have located about 22 original 684 cars, and 28 AIR BOX cars, [43 made] that also had the 684 suspension.
You have a very rare car.......that has great history and value. I can't wait to see it. After 50 years in California, its a 1250 mile drive these days.
08-23-2016, 11:16 AM
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AZREC COOPER paint 452 cars. With beige insert 258 cars.
4:11 positraction 1772 sold.
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08-23-2016, 11:28 AM
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Jim, I think that this copper 270hp did not have 684, as the ordered black/red was to have had.
08-23-2016, 03:04 PM
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08-23-2016, 09:45 PM
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Wow. A 57 that your father bought, in basically great shape ... that's the Holy Grail of Solid Axle Corvettes!
08-24-2016, 10:27 AM
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to see the original color can't you just look at the rim of the spare tire?
08-24-2016, 11:07 AM
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08-24-2016, 11:27 AM
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Here is what happened with dad's order
Year: 1957
VIN: E57S106338
Race Numbers: 120
Ownership: Originally Art Saylor. Tom Kidd
Sponsors: Art Saylor
Drivers: Art Saylor
Status:
Original Color: Black
Tires/Wheels: 5.50x15
Engine: 469C 270HP
Driveline: 4 speed
Top: none
Interior: red
Condition: restored
URL:
Unique Characteristics: This Corvette was special ordered on Father's Day Saturday June 15, 1957 by Art Saylor from Nuggent Chevrolet, 400 South LaBrea Ave., Los Angeles as a "SPECIAL ORDER" 469C engine 283/270hp, but with RPO684 heavy suspension and special brakes. Zora and the factory were reluctant to make the car even though it was advertised in factory literature as available. It appeared the St. Louis factory finally removed the Fuel Injection unit and 579E Air Box and converted it to 270hp Corvette. History from Bob Bondurant, Dick Guldstrand and Doug Hooper, all California races who knew and raced with Art regularily in late 57 and 58. say Art insisted on "Heavy brakes with 270hp, and NOT FUEL INJECTION". The paperwork with the car today, show it was finally delivered September 25, 1957. The car is the second from last 1957 manfactured, or vin #6338 of the 6339 made.
Modifications: Roll bar added, windshield removed, and safety items per SCCA GPC Rules of the day.
Notes/Race History: Howard Goehring, originally from Nebraska and now Mesa, Arizona, bought the car in 1976 from two brothers in Idaho. They had purchased the car in 1969 from Art Saylor's brother, who owned it since 1961. Howard then went to Los Angeles to the POMONA SWAP MEET and visited Art and purchased the original roll bar and windscreen from Maxine Saylor, Art's wife. He met Art's brother at the time, and also gathered all the paperwork, Art's old race helmet, and his SCCA licences and race photos of the car back in the day. All of that history is with the car today including the parts are reinstalled. 57 Corvette collect from Gettysburg, PA Frank Buck purchased the car and had Dick Robinson restore it to todays condition. Tom Kidd purchased it in the early 1990's and continues to share it at Corvette events around the country.
Registry ID Number: 6
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08-24-2016, 12:06 PM
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Generation: C1
Year: 1957
VIN: E57S106338
Race Numbers: 120
Ownership: Originally Art Saylor. Tom Kidd
Sponsors: Art Saylor
Drivers: Art Saylor
Status:
Original Color: Black
Tires/Wheels: 5.50x15
Engine: 469C 270HP
Driveline: 4 speed
Top: none
Interior: red
Condition: restored
URL:
Unique Characteristics: This Corvette was special ordered on Father's Day Saturday June 15, 1957 by Art Saylor from Nuggent Chevrolet, 400 South LaBrea Ave., Los Angeles as a "SPECIAL ORDER" 469C engine 283/270hp, but with RPO684 heavy suspension and special brakes. Zora and the factory were reluctant to make the car even though it was advertised in factory literature as available. It appeared the St. Louis factory finally removed the Fuel Injection unit and 579E Air Box and converted it to 270hp Corvette. History from Bob Bondurant, Dick Guldstrand and Doug Hooper, all California races who knew and raced with Art regularily in late 57 and 58. say Art insisted on "Heavy brakes with 270hp, and NOT FUEL INJECTION". The paperwork with the car today, show it was finally delivered September 25, 1957. The car is the second from last 1957 manfactured, or vin #6338 of the 6339 made.
Modifications: Roll bar added, windshield removed, and safety items per SCCA GPC Rules of the day.
Notes/Race History: Howard Goehring, originally from Nebraska and now Mesa, Arizona, bought the car in 1976 from two brothers in Idaho. They had purchased the car in 1969 from Art Saylor's brother, who owned it since 1961. Howard then went to Los Angeles to the POMONA SWAP MEET and visited Art and purchased the original roll bar and windscreen from Maxine Saylor, Art's wife. He met Art's brother at the time, and also gathered all the paperwork, Art's old race helmet, and his SCCA licences and race photos of the car back in the day. All of that history is with the car today including the parts are reinstalled. 57 Corvette collect from Gettysburg, PA Frank Buck purchased the car and had Dick Robinson restore it to todays condition. Tom Kidd purchased it in the early 1990's and continues to share it at Corvette events around the country.
Registry ID Number: 6
Year: 1957
VIN: E57S106338
Race Numbers: 120
Ownership: Originally Art Saylor. Tom Kidd
Sponsors: Art Saylor
Drivers: Art Saylor
Status:
Original Color: Black
Tires/Wheels: 5.50x15
Engine: 469C 270HP
Driveline: 4 speed
Top: none
Interior: red
Condition: restored
URL:
Unique Characteristics: This Corvette was special ordered on Father's Day Saturday June 15, 1957 by Art Saylor from Nuggent Chevrolet, 400 South LaBrea Ave., Los Angeles as a "SPECIAL ORDER" 469C engine 283/270hp, but with RPO684 heavy suspension and special brakes. Zora and the factory were reluctant to make the car even though it was advertised in factory literature as available. It appeared the St. Louis factory finally removed the Fuel Injection unit and 579E Air Box and converted it to 270hp Corvette. History from Bob Bondurant, Dick Guldstrand and Doug Hooper, all California races who knew and raced with Art regularily in late 57 and 58. say Art insisted on "Heavy brakes with 270hp, and NOT FUEL INJECTION". The paperwork with the car today, show it was finally delivered September 25, 1957. The car is the second from last 1957 manfactured, or vin #6338 of the 6339 made.
Modifications: Roll bar added, windshield removed, and safety items per SCCA GPC Rules of the day.
Notes/Race History: Howard Goehring, originally from Nebraska and now Mesa, Arizona, bought the car in 1976 from two brothers in Idaho. They had purchased the car in 1969 from Art Saylor's brother, who owned it since 1961. Howard then went to Los Angeles to the POMONA SWAP MEET and visited Art and purchased the original roll bar and windscreen from Maxine Saylor, Art's wife. He met Art's brother at the time, and also gathered all the paperwork, Art's old race helmet, and his SCCA licences and race photos of the car back in the day. All of that history is with the car today including the parts are reinstalled. 57 Corvette collect from Gettysburg, PA Frank Buck purchased the car and had Dick Robinson restore it to todays condition. Tom Kidd purchased it in the early 1990's and continues to share it at Corvette events around the country.
Registry ID Number: 6
08-24-2016, 02:46 PM
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The parts were available by late summer of '57, but cars with added 684 wouldn't have been able to vent air to the back brakes as a real 684 or 579D could.
The issue was a fiberglass support panel inside the rocker panel on most '57s that obstructed the air. My '57 579C, which was built before 684 and 579D became available, had the rockers opened on both sides by Bill Thomas, I believe. There's also a considerable glass repair to the rocker in the area beside the driver's seat. They might have removed that one before they abandoned the effort, probably because .684 and 579D had been released.
The issue was a fiberglass support panel inside the rocker panel on most '57s that obstructed the air. My '57 579C, which was built before 684 and 579D became available, had the rockers opened on both sides by Bill Thomas, I believe. There's also a considerable glass repair to the rocker in the area beside the driver's seat. They might have removed that one before they abandoned the effort, probably because .684 and 579D had been released.
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08-25-2016, 06:56 AM
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The parts were available by late summer of '57, but cars with added 684 wouldn't have been able to vent air to the back brakes as a real 684 or 579D could.
The issue was a fiberglass support panel inside the rocker panel on most '57s that obstructed the air. My '57 579C, which was built before 684 and 579D became available, had the rockers opened on both sides by Bill Thomas, I believe. There's also a considerable glass repair to the rocker in the area beside the driver's seat. They might have removed that one before they abandoned the effort, probably because .684 and 579D had been released.
The issue was a fiberglass support panel inside the rocker panel on most '57s that obstructed the air. My '57 579C, which was built before 684 and 579D became available, had the rockers opened on both sides by Bill Thomas, I believe. There's also a considerable glass repair to the rocker in the area beside the driver's seat. They might have removed that one before they abandoned the effort, probably because .684 and 579D had been released.
This photos shows a 1958 air duct Rocker panel. Very unique, and almost impossiblr to copy. ''FACTORY'' cars had this ducting. 57's were similar. Late 59 thru 62 eliminated the ducting. They had front fiberglass ducts feeding cool air to the ''elephant ears'' that fed the screened backing plates.
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08-25-2016, 09:39 AM
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This photos shows a 1958 air duct Rocker panel. Very unique, and almost impossiblr to copy. ''FACTORY'' cars had this ducting. 57's were similar. Late 59 thru 62 eliminated the ducting. They had front fiberglass ducts feeding cool air to the ''elephant ears'' that fed the screened backing plates.
I believe my Dad thought, at the time, this could be added to the car. Probably why he passed on waiting for the '58.
08-27-2016, 10:51 AM
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Generation: C1
Year: 1957
VIN: E57S106338
Race Numbers: 120
Ownership: Originally Art Saylor. Tom Kidd
Sponsors: Art Saylor
Drivers: Art Saylor
Status:
Original Color: Black
Tires/Wheels: 5.50x15
Engine: 469C 270HP
Driveline: 4 speed
Top: none
Interior: red
Condition: restored
URL:
Unique Characteristics: This Corvette was special ordered on Father's Day Saturday June 15, 1957 by Art Saylor from Nuggent Chevrolet, 400 South LaBrea Ave., Los Angeles as a "SPECIAL ORDER" 469C engine 283/270hp, but with RPO684 heavy suspension and special brakes. Zora and the factory were reluctant to make the car even though it was advertised in factory literature as available. It appeared the St. Louis factory finally removed the Fuel Injection unit and 579E Air Box and converted it to 270hp Corvette. History from Bob Bondurant, Dick Guldstrand and Doug Hooper, all California races who knew and raced with Art regularily in late 57 and 58. say Art insisted on "Heavy brakes with 270hp, and NOT FUEL INJECTION". The paperwork with the car today, show it was finally delivered September 25, 1957. The car is the second from last 1957 manfactured, or vin #6338 of the 6339 made.
Modifications: Roll bar added, windshield removed, and safety items per SCCA GPC Rules of the day.
Notes/Race History: Howard Goehring, originally from Nebraska and now Mesa, Arizona, bought the car in 1976 from two brothers in Idaho. They had purchased the car in 1969 from Art Saylor's brother, who owned it since 1961. Howard then went to Los Angeles to the POMONA SWAP MEET and visited Art and purchased the original roll bar and windscreen from Maxine Saylor, Art's wife. He met Art's brother at the time, and also gathered all the paperwork, Art's old race helmet, and his SCCA licences and race photos of the car back in the day. All of that history is with the car today including the parts are reinstalled. 57 Corvette collect from Gettysburg, PA Frank Buck purchased the car and had Dick Robinson restore it to todays condition. Tom Kidd purchased it in the early 1990's and continues to share it at Corvette events around the country.
Registry ID Number: 6
Year: 1957
VIN: E57S106338
Race Numbers: 120
Ownership: Originally Art Saylor. Tom Kidd
Sponsors: Art Saylor
Drivers: Art Saylor
Status:
Original Color: Black
Tires/Wheels: 5.50x15
Engine: 469C 270HP
Driveline: 4 speed
Top: none
Interior: red
Condition: restored
URL:
Unique Characteristics: This Corvette was special ordered on Father's Day Saturday June 15, 1957 by Art Saylor from Nuggent Chevrolet, 400 South LaBrea Ave., Los Angeles as a "SPECIAL ORDER" 469C engine 283/270hp, but with RPO684 heavy suspension and special brakes. Zora and the factory were reluctant to make the car even though it was advertised in factory literature as available. It appeared the St. Louis factory finally removed the Fuel Injection unit and 579E Air Box and converted it to 270hp Corvette. History from Bob Bondurant, Dick Guldstrand and Doug Hooper, all California races who knew and raced with Art regularily in late 57 and 58. say Art insisted on "Heavy brakes with 270hp, and NOT FUEL INJECTION". The paperwork with the car today, show it was finally delivered September 25, 1957. The car is the second from last 1957 manfactured, or vin #6338 of the 6339 made.
Modifications: Roll bar added, windshield removed, and safety items per SCCA GPC Rules of the day.
Notes/Race History: Howard Goehring, originally from Nebraska and now Mesa, Arizona, bought the car in 1976 from two brothers in Idaho. They had purchased the car in 1969 from Art Saylor's brother, who owned it since 1961. Howard then went to Los Angeles to the POMONA SWAP MEET and visited Art and purchased the original roll bar and windscreen from Maxine Saylor, Art's wife. He met Art's brother at the time, and also gathered all the paperwork, Art's old race helmet, and his SCCA licences and race photos of the car back in the day. All of that history is with the car today including the parts are reinstalled. 57 Corvette collect from Gettysburg, PA Frank Buck purchased the car and had Dick Robinson restore it to todays condition. Tom Kidd purchased it in the early 1990's and continues to share it at Corvette events around the country.
Registry ID Number: 6
I passed this on to my uncle yesterday. He was with my Dad when he placed the order for his car. I thought the order was placed in July, he corrected me, it was early June. I wonder if the factory conceded their reluctance to build the car as they may have been holding two orders for the same configuration? Any way to research this?