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Old 01-18-2017, 03:21 PM   #41
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Sounds like a great idea to me.
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What is, making kids get their license at 16, or judging hot rods in NCRS?
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What is, making kids get their license at 16, or judging hot rods in NCRS?
Making kids.
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Old 01-29-2017, 12:22 PM   #44
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I'm all for it... As soon as the Concours class judging is available at the Chapter Meet level I'll enter my car... No chance for a "Flight" award but I've got a shot at this new class.

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Hello Mike,

I'm somewhat new to the site, I'm not a NCRS member.
I enjoyed your post regarding the NCRS Concours Judging.
I was unable to find ANYTHING about it on the NCRS Website?

I'm the owner of a 1963 SWC known to some as the Black Widow, she's a totally one off Restomod built a few years back by my good friend Rod Saboury and Legacy Innovations.

I'd really enjoying having my car judged, how do I learn more?



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Hello Mike,

I'm somewhat new to the site, I'm not a NCRS member.
I enjoyed your post regarding the NCRS Concours Judging.
I was unable to find ANYTHING about it on the NCRS Website?

I'm the owner of a 1963 SWC known to some as the Black Widow, she's a totally one off Restomod built a few years back by my good friend Rod Saboury and Legacy Innovations.

I'd really enjoying having my car judged, how do I learn more?



Thanks,
GS

It's in the beginning stages and probably won't be up and running until next year. Still in testing stage. Manuals and judging sheets will have to be prepared once the details are worked out.
Join the NCRS.
Now's the time since you'll have to be a member to get your car judged, and you'll be in the loop and notified of developments as they occur.

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Old 01-30-2017, 02:14 PM   #47
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It's in the beginning stages and probably won't be up and running until next year. Still in testing stage. Manuals and judging sheets will have to be prepared once the details are worked out.
Join the NCRS.
Now's the time since you'll have to be a member to get your car judged, and you'll be in the loop and notified of developments as they occur.
Thanks...I'll join
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Younger peeps just aren't interested in cars other than for utility and transportation..
Your perceptions are skewed.

Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, i would say about the same percentage of kids were interested in cars as today.

I can think of probably 6-8 gearheads out of my HS graduating class of almost 300. About 5% of the males.

The rest didn't care, cars were transpo.

Now, all us gearheads hung out together or at least knew who everybody was, including younger and older guys, so 6-8 meant 30-50 people over an age span difference of 6 years, so yeah, we probably remember "everybody" being into cars... We were up past midnight every weekend either driving, racing or working on cars

Younger guys today are into ricers, as they are affordable, and don't break the bank to modify.

I would bet you find today that 5% of any particular HS class are into cars, and the rest don't care, but you don't hang around with the ricers and are probably in bed by 9 every night, so you don't know what they are doing with their cars and thus make the assumption that no kids are interested in cars today.

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Your perceptions are skewed.

Back in the 1960s and early 1970s, i would say about the same percentage of kids were interested in cars as today.

I can think of probably 6-8 gearheads out of my HS graduating class of almost 300. About 5% of the males.

The rest didn't care, cars were transpo.

Now, all us gearheads hung out together or at least knew who everybody was, including younger and older guys, so 6-8 meant 30-50 people over an age span difference of 6 years, so yeah, we probably remember "everybody" being into cars... We were up past midnight every weekend either driving, racing or working on cars

Younger guys today are into ricers, as they are affordable, and don't break the bank to modify.

I would bet you find today that 5% of any particular HS class are into cars, and the rest don't care, but you don't hang around with the ricers and are probably in bed by 9 every night, so you don't know what they are doing with their cars and thus make the assumption that no kids are interested in cars today.

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I can tell you, that with the exception of a few nerds, EVERYbody in my high school was into cars. It was a source of parental independence, a way to pick up chicks, show your machismo and if you couldn't talk about cars (or better yet work on them) you were a second class citizen...

Maybe it was growing up in Virginia Beach in the surfer scene -- I can't say. In my graduating year of 1969 many were splurging on muscle cars before they got drafted so they had something to enjoy before possibly seeing combat....

Different times for sure.

There WERE judging sheets at Lakeland for the Concourse class, I saw them....probably in draft but they had them.... The judges seemed excited about the prospect of a different approach to the hobby. I hope it works out...

BIG HIT: That car is 'sick' as the kids of today would say... If you join the NCRS, the monthly Restorer magazine usually had updates on the latest happenings - that's where I read about this new judging class... www.ncrs.org and you can register online...

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Does anyone know if there will be concours judging at the nationals in San Antonio in July?
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There should be practice judging at the Regionals in Laughlin NV and Newton IA, and also at San Antonio. Cars selected privately by the National Judging Chair. I think this is described in the Driveline in the NJC column. If you want to participate, contact the NJC by email and volunteer your car. You may get selected. I think it is limited to mid year cars during the practice (testing) period.
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Old 02-16-2017, 04:27 AM   #53
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Thanks for all the updates to what went down at the Judging.

I think, as news/word of this spreads, there will be an uptick in new members AND rejoining from some former members that have let it expire.

Also, it will probably allow for the expansion of the NCRS in other ways. I always thought it would be cool to have a chapter here in Germany (where I am stationed).

Hmmmm.....
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I understand NCRS wanting to bring in more revenue and "judging" modified cars is one way to do this. But the entire concept of judging a car that was built to the owners specific concept/desires/needs seems silly to me and is a blatant way to simply raise more money. How do you "judge" individuality?
And yes I am a NCRS member.
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I understand NCRS wanting to bring in more revenue and "judging" modified cars is one way to do this. But the entire concept of judging a car that was built to the owners specific concept/desires/needs seems silly to me and is a blatant way to simply raise more money. How do you "judge" individuality?
And yes I am a NCRS member.

I see it more as a blatant way to remain relevant and get more people involved.
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How do you "judge" individuality?
It is done all of the time in other car shows. One of the best examples is The Ridler Award (see below). Best Hot Rod of the Year is another good example.

I like the idea that these modified, customized Corvettes have another way to get recognition. I hope the process continues to evolve.

One thing that NCRS does that many organizations don't do is judge a car against a set of standards as opposed to judging cars against each other.

There are no "Best of Show", "Best Custom", etc. type awards in NCRS judging. Each cars stands on its own merits, and not in comparison to other cars.

One car that I would love to build (but I am too old and decrepit now) would be a 1982 Corvette Collector Edition, factory stock convertible, equipped with a factory 454 engine, and 4 speed transmission.

Obviously this car never existed as a factory car. But what would it look like if it did, and how would it present / judge at an NCRS event.

Realistically, the only thing that could not be modified to reflect this car as original is the VIN tag / VIN number.

A 82 CE car VIN would be 1G1AY0786C51xxxxx (0 in 6th character place indicates Collector Edition). If Chevy had build such a car, there would need to a varying character for the convertible body style vs. the coupe, and a different varying character for the "optional" 454 engine.

Perhaps for a convertible CE car, the 6th character would be a 3 instead of a 0. Also, perhaps for a 454 car, the 8th character is a Z. So, the VIN format for a 1982 454 Collector Edition convertible would be 1G1AY37Z6C51xxxxx.

Car would have a correctly date coded 1982 454 engine and 4 speed transmission. Engine would, of course, need a new engine suffix code to represent 454, manual trans, in a Corvette. Perhaps something like "ZHA".

Yes, it would be much easier to do the 454, 4 speed in a 1982 CE coupe, but what is the fun in that.

Originally, the Ridler Award was given to the Best Vehicle shown for the first time. Over the last fifty plus years, the award has evolved to better conform to new ideas, changing designs and concepts. Today it emphasizes creativity, engineering and quality workmanship. Anyone building a vehicle for Ridler competition should post these words on their garage wall. The vehicle that best represents those three areas will win the Ridler Award.
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What is the next NCRS meeting that will have concours judging?
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Western Regional meet, Laughlin NV April 6-9th
But again, this will be practice judging only, and only mid-year cars will be involved.
The owners will receive award ribbons.
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Here's a link to a video on YouTube. This is an interview with Dave Brigham, the National Judging Chairman. This video was shot at Lakeland in January.

It explains the new "concours" or "appearance" judging. It's still in the testing phase, and as others have said, it CURRENTLY limited to midyear cars by invitation only.

They will be doing this trial judging at the next two upcoming Regionals and at the National in San Antonio.


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Thanks for that Chuck.

Just learned something: around time 1:00 Dave states that "wheels are excluded" for cars in the Stock Division. I don't remember seeing that in print anywhere.
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