Need VIN Tag Rivet photo
10-21-2014, 03:50 PM
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10-21-2014, 04:37 PM
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His post can be taken to mean that the NCRS could cause a car to be impounded. 'NCRS' doesn't have a policy or process for replacing rivets, they're not the police. Each state/province has it's own laws WRT tampering with VIN plates and a process to reattach or replace one.
If 'NCRS' is now being used as a generic term to mean 'a person who restores a car to factory original', there's no difference I know of that gives a resto mod or custom any special exemptions.
If 'NCRS' is now being used as a generic term to mean 'a person who restores a car to factory original', there's no difference I know of that gives a resto mod or custom any special exemptions.
Actually, Mike you were the one to make a post that had no reason to be typed, and was against the forum rules. You directly aimed a negative post toward/about another member, not supposed to be allowed. Then you repeated with your next post. It helped no one especially the OP. Perhaps answer the OP's question next time?
That's an absurd interpretation of the question, Mike. Reading it as it was written can lead you only to nothing more than a question on what does someone doing an authentic restoration do in this situation. NCRS is being used more of a noun these days to mean a very high presentation standard, not a reference to the institution itself.
Hi WB,
As usual my knowledge/opinion is based on one car.
71 6589 had/has unpainted rivets, and a vin plate with a dark, very thin, 'finish' on it.
The 'finish' appears to have been on the plate before the imprint was done because where the numbers 'bulged' and stretched the metal the finish is lighter in color. You can see that in the picture.
The next time I restore the car I'll take a picture of the area UNDER the plate. I'm betting it'll be black under there; not green!
Note that this car didn't have a leaky windshield, so the plate and rivets maintained their original finishes quite well. Look how 'brite' the rivets are.
What thinks you?
Alan
As usual my knowledge/opinion is based on one car.
71 6589 had/has unpainted rivets, and a vin plate with a dark, very thin, 'finish' on it.
The 'finish' appears to have been on the plate before the imprint was done because where the numbers 'bulged' and stretched the metal the finish is lighter in color. You can see that in the picture.
The next time I restore the car I'll take a picture of the area UNDER the plate. I'm betting it'll be black under there; not green!
Note that this car didn't have a leaky windshield, so the plate and rivets maintained their original finishes quite well. Look how 'brite' the rivets are.
What thinks you?
Alan
Thanks for helping the thread and it's original poster!
What are the first few things that are checked as a vehicle enters the NCRS judging field?
WB
10-21-2014, 04:41 PM
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"What are the first few things that are checked as a vehicle enters the NCRS judging field?"
Has the owner brought any cold drinks and homemade baked goods with him to share?
Has the owner brought any cold drinks and homemade baked goods with him to share?
10-21-2014, 04:45 PM
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10-21-2014, 04:58 PM
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10-21-2014, 05:07 PM
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The rivets that you see on ebay do not match the originals. The originals were stamped rosett rivets, the new ones look like they are machined. While they look the same away from each other when you see them next to each other they are not even close. Under no circumstances would I remove a VIN tag, however if you already have and you have the tag, I would call the DMV, there is a dept in DMV that handles this type of stuff. Not the lady at the counter. They are going to do their homework to make sure it is not a stolen car. I would also call a GM rep, and explain to them what is going on. I have only actually seen this once on a 68 BB conv, where a GM rep came out with the state police and reattached the vin with the correct rivets. A body shop employee had removed the VIN during the restoration and it was a 435 conv.
10-21-2014, 05:16 PM
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10-21-2014, 05:20 PM
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The rivets that you see on ebay do not match the originals. The originals were stamped rosett rivets, the new ones look like they are machined. While they look the same away from each other when you see them next to each other they are not even close. Under no circumstances would I remove a VIN tag, however if you already have and you have the tag, I would call the DMV, there is a dept in DMV that handles this type of stuff. Not the lady at the counter. They are going to do their homework to make sure it is not a stolen car. I would also call a GM rep, and explain to them what is going on. I have only actually seen this once on a 68 BB conv, where a GM rep came out with the state police and reattached the vin with the correct rivets. A body shop employee had removed the VIN during the restoration and it was a 435 conv.
Paperwork isn't the answer.....
10-21-2014, 05:22 PM
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10-21-2014, 05:25 PM
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Under no circumstances would I remove a VIN tag, however if you already have and you have the tag, I would call the DMV, there is a dept in DMV that handles this type of stuff. Not the lady at the counter. They are going to do their homework to make sure it is not a stolen car. I would also call a GM rep, and explain to them what is going on. I have only actually seen this once on a 68 BB conv, where a GM rep came out with the state police and reattached the vin with the correct rivets. A body shop employee had removed the VIN during the restoration and it was a 435 conv.
Could someone post a photo of your original windshield pillar VIN tag rivet? I don't need the whole VIN tag if you're nervous about that sort of thing, but I'd like to see what the original rivets looked like since I think the windshield part of my birdcage was replace and the VIN reattached with normal rivets.
Thanks!
Thanks!
10-21-2014, 05:26 PM
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Maybe put the bottle down, you're flagged!
To the poster above, the rivets I mentioned earlier on the flea were originals, not reproductions. As I said many years ago!
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10-21-2014, 06:00 PM
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Mike pointed out very well that by the time he got here the original question had been answered "dusted" , seems he just wanted to scold me then do it a second time adding nothing to the thread.
I want to thank you guys who knew what I was talking about,
In no way would any one who wasn't just trying to
think that my question in any way was saying that the NCRS as a organization could cause a car to get impounded.
To clarify I am guilty of using "NCRS" as a blanket term for a pretty much factory perfect restoration, ( but you guys knew that too ) not an organization but rather the people who follow that type of restoration...me asking "what do ncrs guys do..." meaning nothing more than what do people who desire a perfect award winning restoration do in the case of rivets on their vin tags.
I will in the future replace "ncrs" with "guys who do perfect restorations" because I view the ncrs...oops....the guys who do perfect restorations with great respect I do care what they do/think when I need this type of infomation.
I want to thank you guys who knew what I was talking about,
In no way would any one who wasn't just trying to
think that my question in any way was saying that the NCRS as a organization could cause a car to get impounded.To clarify I am guilty of using "NCRS" as a blanket term for a pretty much factory perfect restoration, ( but you guys knew that too
) not an organization but rather the people who follow that type of restoration...me asking "what do ncrs guys do..." meaning nothing more than what do people who desire a perfect award winning restoration do in the case of rivets on their vin tags.I will in the future replace "ncrs" with "guys who do perfect restorations" because I view the ncrs...oops....the guys who do perfect restorations with great respect I do care what they do/think when I need this type of infomation.
10-21-2014, 06:41 PM
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Hi WB,
As usual my knowledge/opinion is based on one car.
71 6589 had/has unpainted rivets, and a vin plate with a dark, very thin, 'finish' on it.
The 'finish' appears to have been on the plate before the imprint was done because where the numbers 'bulged' and stretched the metal the finish is lighter in color. You can see that in the picture.
The next time I restore the car I'll take a picture of the area UNDER the plate. I'm betting it'll be black under there; not green!
Note that this car didn't have a leaky windshield, so the plate and rivets maintained their original finishes quite well. Look how 'brite' the rivets are.
What thinks you?
Alan
As usual my knowledge/opinion is based on one car.
71 6589 had/has unpainted rivets, and a vin plate with a dark, very thin, 'finish' on it.
The 'finish' appears to have been on the plate before the imprint was done because where the numbers 'bulged' and stretched the metal the finish is lighter in color. You can see that in the picture.
The next time I restore the car I'll take a picture of the area UNDER the plate. I'm betting it'll be black under there; not green!
Note that this car didn't have a leaky windshield, so the plate and rivets maintained their original finishes quite well. Look how 'brite' the rivets are.
What thinks you?
Alan
10-21-2014, 07:02 PM
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To clarify I am guilty of using "NCRS" as a blanket term for a pretty much factory perfect restoration, ( but you guys knew that too
) not an organization but rather the people who follow that type of restoration...me asking "what do ncrs guys do..." meaning nothing more than what do people who desire a perfect award winning restoration do in the case of rivets on their vin tags.'NCRS type guys' are the least likely to screw around with the rivets or tags since they get so much scrutiny during judging. State/province issued VINs carry no penalty during judging if the original is gone.
10-22-2014, 10:20 AM
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I have 3 1970 Corvettes & the rivets are NOT painted. Nothing on here gets people riled up like VIN tags Trim tags & engine stampings. People with WAY too much time on their hands as most are much to do about nothing
10-22-2014, 05:39 PM
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Thank you for clarifying. It's nice to see that you no longer bash 'NCRS types' as you once might have done.
Sorry to see you are still hung up and harping....unlike the ncrs type guys bashing customs and me and my stuff I never "bashed" the ncrs or the fellows as a person or their car specific, I have said and stand behind stock is about as exciting to me as watching paint dry, ( and I know my builds make many purists want to puke ) but I have always said I respect the great deal of time and work ncrs fellows put in their cars. ( they do not or have not as of yet returned that kindness to me )
However, you tried to twist around what I said, no one in this thread fell for it, I did say and stand behind that tampering with vin plates and the rivets could get a can impounded.
Also to clarify:
'NCRS type guys' are the least likely to screw around with the rivets or tags since they get so much scrutiny during judging. State/province issued VINs carry no penalty during judging if the original is gone.
Sorry to see you are still hung up and harping....unlike the ncrs type guys bashing customs and me and my stuff I never "bashed" the ncrs or the fellows as a person or their car specific, I have said and stand behind stock is about as exciting to me as watching paint dry, ( and I know my builds make many purists want to puke ) but I have always said I respect the great deal of time and work ncrs fellows put in their cars. ( they do not or have not as of yet returned that kindness to me )
However, you tried to twist around what I said, no one in this thread fell for it, I did say and stand behind that tampering with vin plates and the rivets could get a can impounded.
Also to clarify:
'NCRS type guys' are the least likely to screw around with the rivets or tags since they get so much scrutiny during judging. State/province issued VINs carry no penalty during judging if the original is gone.
Hope you get feeling better and we can move on...
10-22-2014, 06:46 PM
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OK, it seems obvious that this thread has no chance to get back on track.
OP, if you have additional questions/requests re: the VIN plate, please start a new thread and hopefully we can keep that one clean.
OP, if you have additional questions/requests re: the VIN plate, please start a new thread and hopefully we can keep that one clean.