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Old 12-03-2016, 02:23 PM
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No don't have a hi stall yet but am planning on getting a 2500 a bit later after the works been done.

I'm not familiar with what you mean by sound bite??
A video of the car running. I'm sure we'd all like to see and hear it.


I'd put a torque converter in now, as it goes back together....
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I'll be happy if I can just spin the wheels from a stand start, can't do that at the moment. Never a good thing when you have a V8 that can't spin the wheels.
Wayno, a good torque converter will take care of that issue
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Originally Posted by Corvetteoz
I might need something better than them then. With the cam I'm putting in which is the comp cam XE268H, comp cam recommend to upgrade to these valve springs.

http://www.compperformancegroupstore...ct_Code=981-16

According to the summit listing these have a spring rate of 370 lbs/in. Is spring rate the same as open spring pressure?

I would like to stick with my original valve covers and am happy to use a 5/16 gasket for clearance if I have to. But if they dont fit well I'll have to change the valve covers then.

https://www.summitracing.com/int/par...1-16/overview/



I wonder how much valve spring pressure they tolerate. Are you using these with the standard valve springs and what cam installed please mate? I've used Crane stuff before and had no issues also.

The 981-16 spring really is not much of a spring upgrade over stock. It is a better spring but not much more pressure. Stock rocker arms will handle that spring with no problem. I have used the comp roller tip on much bigger springs than those so you should be fine with any rocker arm. Once you get into solid roller cams with big springs, diameter and pressure do you really need to be running really good rocker arms.
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Originally Posted by USAFVeteran
A video of the car running. I'm sure we'd all like to see and hear it.


I'd put a torque converter in now, as it goes back together....
Here's a video I took this afternoon for you guys.


The car is together, its a running car. Doesn't look like it will be getting any work done soon as the mechanic is way too busy over Christmas.

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Wayno, a good torque converter will take care of that issue
Awesome mate, I love Hi Stalls.

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The 981-16 spring really is not much of a spring upgrade over stock. It is a better spring but not much more pressure. Stock rocker arms will handle that spring with no problem. I have used the comp roller tip on much bigger springs than those so you should be fine with any rocker arm. Once you get into solid roller cams with big springs, diameter and pressure do you really need to be running really good rocker arms.
I guess I don't need to change the rocker arms, there probably isn't much to gain from changing them. Something to think about.

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Thanks for the video. Very nice car!!!!
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Thanks for the video. Very nice car!!!!
No problem. I was very lucky to get such a quality car with the history it come with.

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Its my understanding that if I fit roller rockers that require screw in studs, that the original heads will need to be drilled out to take screw in studs anyway. If the heads require removal I might as well go with the 1.6 ratio then.
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Originally Posted by Corvetteoz
Its my understanding that if I fit roller rockers that require screw in studs, that the original heads will need to be drilled out to take screw in studs anyway. If the heads require removal I might as well go with the 1.6 ratio then.
A couple of things.....
Roller rockers WILL provide more power.....largely because stock stamped steel rockers are not really 1.52 ratio....(yes 1.52) they may come in at 1.47 or so.....the premium roller tip units will show an increase in power too....
If you have heads with push in studs....stick with the 1.52 ratio.....one, because you do not know how well they are pushed in.....and, two....with 1.6 rockers there is a huge chance that the pushrod will rub the outside of the pushrod slot in the head.....

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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
A couple of things.....
Roller rockers WILL provide more power.....largely because stock stamped steel rockers are not really 1.52 ratio....(yes 1.52) they may come in at 1.47 or so.....the premium roller tip units will show an increase in power too....
If you have heads with push in studs....stick with the 1.52 ratio.....one, because you do not know how well they are pushed in.....and, two....with 1.6 rockers there is a huge chance that the pushrod will rub the outside of the pushrod slot in the head.....

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Do any of the rockers that I suggested in the first post take the push in studs?
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Originally Posted by Corvetteoz
Do any of the rockers that I suggested in the first post take the push in studs?
Any of those will work if you specify for 3/8" stud.....

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Ok so we're down to 2 roller rockers. Which one I haven't decided yet.

Comp cams High energy roller rocker 1.5 ratio 3/8 mount. A full roller rocker that's very good value for money at $259 landed here. Obviously will still need guide plates. Rated at 550lbs of open spring pressure.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Comp-Cams...4AAOSwBahVciBI

PRW Aluminium roller rockers 1.5 ratio 3/8 mount self aligning. Also good value at $319 landed here. Rated at 750lbs of open spring pressure.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/162134666...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

These Elgin stainless steel rocker arms looked ok also but at $227 landed here I thought the the 2 above were better value for money.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/181392459...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I just found these and although they are not a name brand they do look quite good. Anyone used these Jegs branded roller rockers before?

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/20100/10002/-1
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I have run non-locating rollers without guide plates but do not recommend doing so without a set of premium pushrods.......like Trend products. The rockers are heavier.....and will want to "walk" harder.....this makes the pushrod load on the pushrod slot increase.....
I ran my 66' 327 with pinned press in rocker studs, Crane rollers and Trend pushrods for 5 years and about 4500 miles with zero issue.....no guideplates.
If you find the locating rockers where you are at....run those.

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Originally Posted by Jebbysan
I have run non-locating rollers without guide plates but do not recommend doing so without a set of premium pushrods.......like Trend products. The rockers are heavier.....and will want to "walk" harder.....this makes the pushrod load on the pushrod slot increase.....
I ran my 66' 327 with pinned press in rocker studs, Crane rollers and Trend pushrods for 5 years and about 4500 miles with zero issue.....no guideplates.
If you find the locating rockers where you are at....run those.

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By saying locating rockers you mean self aligning yeah?
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Originally Posted by Corvetteoz
By saying locating rockers you mean self aligning yeah?
Yes

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I'm leaning towards the PRW self aligning roller rockers. Rated at 750 lbs open spring pressure, which i'll be no where near, a full roller, aluminium and should handle the press pin stud. I just need the mechanic to acquire the right size pushrods.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/162134666...AIT&rmvSB=true

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if you have push in studs, the first thing you should do is replace with screw in.
then add performance parts, once you have hardware that will retain the performance parts.



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