Cam Duration @ .050" Question?
#1
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Member Since: Dec 2006
Location: 90% of all Fords are still on the road.....the other 10% actually made it home!
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
2 Posts
Cam Duration @ .050" Question?
I'm trying to figure out what the duration would be on my cam @ .050" (it's a custom grind cam)
You see I recently had a machine shop build me a small block 406, (long block) and when he was finished with it, I asked him for all the engine specifications including the "Cam Specs".
Well, all he could tell me about the cam was that it's a custom grind that he had made specifically for my particular application. Unfortunately all he gave me were the numbers: 510 Lift & 270 Duration.
So, I called him a few days ago and asked him to find out what the rest of the cam specs were, (ie. LSA, Centerline, Duration @ .050", Power Range etc....) and this is what the guy faxed him:
----------------------------------------------------------
406ci Chevy Motor
GRIND - # 487 HP
Ratio Rocker - 1.60:1
Cam Lift - 510
Duration .006" Tappet Rise intake/270 - exhaust/270
Lobe Seperation - 110
Centerline - intake/114 - exhaust/106
Cam Timing @ .050 Tappet Rise =
.....OPEN ..........................CLOSE
IN _6_ BTDC ..................38 ABDC
EX _46_ BBDC................- 3 ATDC
----------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry but I still don't see the duration @ .050" or what the power range should be.
Anyone have a clue?
You see I recently had a machine shop build me a small block 406, (long block) and when he was finished with it, I asked him for all the engine specifications including the "Cam Specs".
Well, all he could tell me about the cam was that it's a custom grind that he had made specifically for my particular application. Unfortunately all he gave me were the numbers: 510 Lift & 270 Duration.
So, I called him a few days ago and asked him to find out what the rest of the cam specs were, (ie. LSA, Centerline, Duration @ .050", Power Range etc....) and this is what the guy faxed him:
----------------------------------------------------------
406ci Chevy Motor
GRIND - # 487 HP
Ratio Rocker - 1.60:1
Cam Lift - 510
Duration .006" Tappet Rise intake/270 - exhaust/270
Lobe Seperation - 110
Centerline - intake/114 - exhaust/106
Cam Timing @ .050 Tappet Rise =
.....OPEN ..........................CLOSE
IN _6_ BTDC ..................38 ABDC
EX _46_ BBDC................- 3 ATDC
----------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry but I still don't see the duration @ .050" or what the power range should be.
Anyone have a clue?
#3
Drifting
Cam Timing @ .050 Tappet Rise =
.....OPEN ..........................CLOSE
IN _6_ BTDC ..................38 ABDC
EX _46_ BBDC................- 3 ATDC[/B]
----------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry but I still don't see the duration @ .050" or what the power range should be.
Anyone have a clue?
.....OPEN ..........................CLOSE
IN _6_ BTDC ..................38 ABDC
EX _46_ BBDC................- 3 ATDC[/B]
----------------------------------------------------------
I'm sorry but I still don't see the duration @ .050" or what the power range should be.
Anyone have a clue?
BigBlockk
Later.....
#4
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Member Since: Dec 2006
Location: 90% of all Fords are still on the road.....the other 10% actually made it home!
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
2 Posts
Thanks a lot for that,... ...I knew somebody here would know of a formula or a calculator to figure out the duration @ .050" lift.
According to that calculator my cam has a duration split of 224/229. Similar cams show a power range of about 2200-6000,......which is perfect for me since I'm running a 3000 stall converter.
Thanks again Jim!
Last edited by str8upchevy; 01-30-2008 at 12:07 AM.
#5
Burning Brakes
Thread Starter
Member Since: Dec 2006
Location: 90% of all Fords are still on the road.....the other 10% actually made it home!
Posts: 872
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
2 Posts
If there's some series of mathematical calculations you have to do in order to come up with the 224/229, I obviously didn't know what they were or I never would have asked, would I?
I appreciate the answer, but how about explaining it instead of just assuming I should know what it is.
#6
Team Owner
What more do I want??? How about an explaination of how you got those numbers?
If there's some series of mathematical calculations you have to do in order to come up with the 224/229, I obviously didn't know what they were or I never would have asked, would I?
I appreciate the answer, but how about explaining it instead of just assuming I should know what it is.
If there's some series of mathematical calculations you have to do in order to come up with the 224/229, I obviously didn't know what they were or I never would have asked, would I?
I appreciate the answer, but how about explaining it instead of just assuming I should know what it is.
Simply add 180 degrees to the .050 valve event numbers. I actually came up different on the exhaust side because of the minus 3 So it is something like 224/223. I'll plug these into my DD2000 tomorrow and I could also tell you whether it has some ground in advance.
It is saying that: Your intake opens at 6 degrees "Before Top Dead Center" and Closes 38 degrees "After Bottom dead center"
Exhaust opens at " 46 degrees Before Bottom Dead Center" and closes 3 degrees before (the minus sign) "After top Dead center"
This is a very mild cam. I would wonder about the big HP claim
IN _6_ BTDC ..................38 ABDC
EX _46_ BBDC................- 3 ATDC[/b]
Just for comparison - This is the Crane cam and this is how they rate it on a 350 ci motor
1957 1987 CHEVROLET GOOD TO FAIR IDLE, DAILY PERFORMANCE USAGE, GOOD MID-RANGE TORQUE AND HP, MILD BRACKET RACING, AUTO TRANS W/2500+ CONVERTER, 2700-3200 CRUISE RPM, 9.5 TO 10.75 COMPRESSION RATIO ADVISED. BASIC RPM 2400-5400
Engine Size Configuration
262-400 C.I. V
Valve Setting: Intake .000 Exhaust .000 HOT
Lift: Intake @Cam 3114 @Valve 467 All Lifts are based
on zero lash and theoretical rocker arm ratios.
Exhaust @ Cam 3114 @Valve 467
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.5
Intake 278 °
Exhaust 278 °
Spring Requirements: Triple Dual Outer Inner
Part Number 99848
Loads Closed 114 LBS @ 1.700 or 1 45/64
Open 308 LBS @ 1.260
Recommended RPM range with matching components
Minimum RPM 2000
Maximum RPM 5800
Valve Float 6400
Cam Timing: TAPPET @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 6 BTDC 36 ABDC 222 °
Exhaust 46 BBDC (-4) BTDC 222 °
Last edited by gkull; 01-30-2008 at 08:30 AM.
#7
Race Director
Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: Corsicana, Tx
Posts: 12,608
Received 1,875 Likes
on
913 Posts
2020 C2 of the Year - Modified Winner
2020 Corvette of the Year (performance mods)
C2 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
2017 C2 of Year Finalist
If you look through that Wallace site it has a ton of very useful calculators to work through all sorts of stuff.
JIM
JIM