C3 Tech/Performance V8 Technical Info, Internal Engine, External Engine, Basic Tech and Maintenance for the C3 Corvette
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by:

my cam lobe is about 0.100 in. short! .. Do I have a wiped lobes?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-16-2009, 05:19 PM
  #1  
HamadUP
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
HamadUP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Doha
Posts: 2,876
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default my cam lobe is about 0.100 in. short! .. Do I have a wiped lobes?

I decided to measure my cam's lobes with a micrometer, I found that I have a .302 for int. and 0.308 for exh. , while it should be (as per the cam's card info.) .3117/.3188 int./exh. .. I have about 700 miles since the cam installed. The cam is a Lunati 60202 in a big block LS5.

I believe I did the cam break-in process right, I used a zinc reach oil (SF API grade) and poured a can of cam break-in additive and let it idle 2000-2500 for 20 min. and then I only used a SF grade oils with STP additive since then.

I thought if I would have a wiped lobe, it would be in the 1st 100 miles or so and it would be much more than that.

Is it the time to invest on a roller?? .. I hope not since I dont have any money left after my rebuild
Old 06-16-2009, 05:26 PM
  #2  
Gordonm
Race Director
 
Gordonm's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 1999
Location: Forked River NJ
Posts: 19,592
Received 754 Likes on 464 Posts

Default

How did you measure it with a micrometer. You should have measured it with a dial indicator.
Old 06-16-2009, 05:53 PM
  #3  
SH-60B
Melting Slicks
 
SH-60B's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2008
Location: Meriden CT
Posts: 2,975
Received 194 Likes on 162 Posts

Default

That's .010 shorter, not .100, still not a good sign. I think the lobes would exhibit some obvious wear, as well as the lifters. Do you think you might have misread the mic? Digital ones are pretty fool proof, but I have seen some guys mis-read the vernier scale.
Old 06-16-2009, 06:04 PM
  #4  
billla
Le Mans Master
Support Corvetteforum!
 
billla's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jun 2004
Location: Seattle WA
Posts: 6,224
Received 58 Likes on 41 Posts
St. Jude Donor '14

Default



Were there symptoms that made you pull the cam?
Old 06-16-2009, 07:07 PM
  #5  
gkull
Team Owner
 
gkull's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 1999
Location: Reno Nevada
Posts: 21,749
Received 1,329 Likes on 1,057 Posts

Default

I would ask where you measured? On the edge of the lifter in the cam valley is typical. Who is to say how close the cam blank was made compared to a cam card. 1/100th of an inch is nothing for what is spec and what gets thrown out during manufacturing.
Old 06-16-2009, 11:12 PM
  #6  
dstaley
Pro
 
dstaley's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2005
Location: Peoria IL
Posts: 517
Received 7 Likes on 4 Posts

Default

Isn't an LS5 a roller engine?
Old 06-16-2009, 11:46 PM
  #7  
73, Dark Blue 454
Melting Slicks
 
73, Dark Blue 454's Avatar
 
Member Since: Mar 2005
Location: Austin TX
Posts: 2,838
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 7 Posts

Default

Install one of those the magnetic drain plugs for your oil pan. Drive her a day or two then see if you've collected any shrapnel on the magnet.
Old 06-17-2009, 12:42 AM
  #8  
427Hotrod
Race Director
 
427Hotrod's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: Corsicana, Tx
Posts: 12,615
Received 1,877 Likes on 915 Posts
2020 C2 of the Year - Modified Winner
2020 Corvette of the Year (performance mods)
C2 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
2017 C2 of Year Finalist

Default

You're .010 short. That's 10 thousandths...not 100 thousandths. Did you measure right off lifter edge or at pushrod?

Did you measure it before it was run?

I think you're probably fine. Why are we checking it?


JIM
Old 06-17-2009, 02:04 AM
  #9  
HamadUP
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
HamadUP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Doha
Posts: 2,876
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

I measured it using a dial caliper not a micrometer (I was so tired last night measuring the lobes and was 1 am already when I did the post!), and I put the tip of the caliper on the edge of the pushrod right in the oil hole.

The reason why I checked it (I know it may be from a different cause) was that my engine wont rev. past 4.5K RPM, not sure if its a fuel starvation or valve float, besides that I was always worried about the break-in process.

When I changed the oil after the 20 min. break-in I noticed that the oil was grey-ish in color, but I didn't catch anything at all on the magnetic drain plug.

OK I made a mistake it was .010-.015 in. in difference, but as the cam was advertised as .530/.541 int./exh. , but based on what I have right now, its .510/.523, which is not good at all.

Now if the wear will stop by that, I may consider leaving it as it is, but if it would continue to wear and send tiny metal particles all over my engine, that's another story!
Old 06-17-2009, 06:46 AM
  #10  
BB72
Melting Slicks
 
BB72's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2006
Location: Kingston Ontario
Posts: 3,427
Received 17 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

If you had one or two lobes that were out I would think it was wiped. Check all of them . If they're all out it was made wrong. A wiped lobe has considerably worn look to it. I would guess that it would be easy to spot a wiped lobe next to all the good ones and you haven't mentioned that so ....it sounds ok.
Old 06-17-2009, 07:13 AM
  #11  
bashcraft
Le Mans Master
 
bashcraft's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Butler Pa
Posts: 6,391
Received 109 Likes on 83 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by HamadUP
I measured it using a dial caliper not a micrometer (I was so tired last night measuring the lobes and was 1 am already when I did the post!), and I put the tip of the caliper on the edge of the pushrod right in the oil hole.
I'm having a hard time imagining how you did this, but there's no way you're going to get an accurate reading with a pair of calipers.
Old 06-17-2009, 07:55 AM
  #12  
mrvette
Team Owner
 
mrvette's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 1999
Location: Orange Park Florida
Posts: 65,310
Received 223 Likes on 204 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by BB72
If you had one or two lobes that were out I would think it was wiped. Check all of them . If they're all out it was made wrong. A wiped lobe has considerably worn look to it. I would guess that it would be easy to spot a wiped lobe next to all the good ones and you haven't mentioned that so ....it sounds ok.
Perzactly....methinks your lack of revs are about ignition or induction/carb.....you sure your dizzy is all dialed in and happy?? IF so, I"d be looking at the secondary function on your carb......

Old 06-17-2009, 08:02 AM
  #13  
427Hotrod
Race Director
 
427Hotrod's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2000
Location: Corsicana, Tx
Posts: 12,615
Received 1,877 Likes on 915 Posts
2020 C2 of the Year - Modified Winner
2020 Corvette of the Year (performance mods)
C2 of Year Winner (performance mods) 2019
2017 C2 of Year Finalist

Default

Lots of variables in your measuring method. Pushrod wiggle, pushrods going at an angle, the pushrod hole itself, a caliper etc etc.

The gray in the oil was likely all the break in lube you used..which is good.

It doesn't sound like you have a wiped cam. If it's not revving it's something else. That's a pretty mild cam so the chances of it breaking in well are good.

JIM
Old 06-17-2009, 08:08 AM
  #14  
bashcraft
Le Mans Master
 
bashcraft's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2006
Location: Butler Pa
Posts: 6,391
Received 109 Likes on 83 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by HamadUP
The reason why I checked it (I know it may be from a different cause) was that my engine wont rev. past 4.5K RPM, not sure if its a fuel starvation or valve float,
Does it just quit pulling? Or start missing or backfiring? What are the symptoms?
Old 06-17-2009, 08:24 AM
  #15  
73StreetRace
Burning Brakes
 
73StreetRace's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2005
Location: Europe, France
Posts: 1,164
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

I think you should take pictures of the 16 lobes and show us ( This is possible if you remove the oil pan ) : a wiped lobe has always signs of wear and scratches.
JIM is right : Lots of variables in your measuring method.
You can't get an accurate measurement of the lobes with the camshaft in the engine.

Last edited by 73StreetRace; 06-17-2009 at 08:37 AM.
Old 06-17-2009, 08:57 AM
  #16  
jackson
Le Mans Master

 
jackson's Avatar
 
Member Since: Sep 2001
Location: Unreconstructed, South Carolina
Posts: 7,739
Received 628 Likes on 556 Posts

Default

~0.011" @ ~9" long pushrod (& ain't held square to the lobe) = cosine error ... go back to sleep.
Old 06-17-2009, 10:04 AM
  #17  
FB007
Burning Brakes
 
FB007's Avatar
 
Member Since: Dec 2007
Posts: 952
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by jackson
~0.011" @ ~9" long pushrod (& ain't held square to the lobe) = cosine error ... go back to sleep.
The odds of all 16 lobes wearing EXACTLY .01 is phenominal.

Also, without a "before" measurement the same way, it means ZERO.

Get notified of new replies

To my cam lobe is about 0.100 in. short! .. Do I have a wiped lobes?

Old 06-17-2009, 11:26 AM
  #18  
HamadUP
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
HamadUP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Doha
Posts: 2,876
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

Originally Posted by bashcraft
Does it just quit pulling? Or start missing or backfiring? What are the symptoms?
When it reaches around 4.5K it just seems out of breath, no missing or backfiring, just seems out of power.
Old 06-17-2009, 11:30 AM
  #19  
HamadUP
Melting Slicks
Support Corvetteforum!
Thread Starter
 
HamadUP's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2003
Location: Doha
Posts: 2,876
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 6 Posts
St. Jude Donor '08

Default

So I guess I shouldn't panic for what I found and just return my valve covers back

Well, that's a big relief! .. I've spent endless hours doing that engine and it was my 1st time to go deep into engines.

I still have the post-break in oil in my engine and I will drain it today and see if the magnet would catch anything, I'll let you know for sure.

Thanks a million guys!
Old 06-17-2009, 12:57 PM
  #20  
BB72
Melting Slicks
 
BB72's Avatar
 
Member Since: Aug 2006
Location: Kingston Ontario
Posts: 3,427
Received 17 Likes on 8 Posts

Default

Another thing, if you're worried about a wiped cam and keep going in there....you're going to get your wish. Stop worring about it. Your problem is probably ignition or carb related as mentioned. My bet is on ignition.


Quick Reply: my cam lobe is about 0.100 in. short! .. Do I have a wiped lobes?



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:49 PM.