xfactor974

anyone using this system that uses no distributor, a crank trigger, and direct fire coils. Looks to be a nice system and it's $500 cheaper than Force efi but is it really a good system. I'm sure some of you have knowledge or experience with them.

xfactor974

That's what I thought. Nobody knows this system?

Fevre

Gotta link to some info?

BDAZVET

I`m looking for as much information as I can also. So far I have not heard anything bad, quite the opposite. No particulars, just a solid product with good support. There is a dealer in the area that sells them and other systems also, so when I get that far, I`m going there to see it first hand and make some comparisons... http://www.electromotive-inc.com/


[Modified by BDAZVET, 7:28 AM 5/8/2002]

Fevre

So it's not actual a fuel injection system but a triggering system like MSD with the ability to control a fuel injection system or am I reading it wrong?

BDAZVET

There is a system that controls engine management including fuel/spark. Spark is a distributorless unit for 4, 6, and 8 cylinders and can be had seperately to run by itself ( for say a carbed engine ) replacing the distributor or with an ECU, and is compatable with other brands. Or they have everything needed for a complete system-ECU with distributorless ignition.

Flareside

At first glance, it looks nice. I don't see any mention of wideband O2. Does it support it? Can you really get a complete system for less than a full system from Force? It doesn't look like they sell stuff like manifolds, throttle bodies, fuel systems, etc. (Expensive stuff!) You should probably expect to spend at least $1500 over the price of the Electromotive electronics.

What are you looking at from Force? As far as I know, they are just a reseller for DFI, FAST, Haltech, and maybe others. They don't actually manufacture anything (they convert manifolds to EFI).

73-454

Why go through the hassel and wasted money, You cant beat a GM HEI and a Q-Jet for the street. They will never let you down just set them and forget abought them.

BDAZVET

They don`t sell the "hardware", just the electronic goodies.

Flareside: Did`nt you have a manifold converted for a real good price and went with a FAST unit ? Care to share your costs to this point? Thanks.

Flareside

Already got them.

Why go to the moon?

Flareside

Sure, FAST ECM $1900, manifold $250, welded bungs and rails $500. Other misc., ALOT! :lol:

BDAZVET

I currently run an Edelbrock Q-Jet and a GM points distributor, everything else is stock LS4. No complaints. I like cheese! I want that Moon! :D

xfactor974

I looked at the multi point system and that includes everything to get started. The system i was looking at from force was a rpm air gap manifold with force injection with an Accel DFI controller. Something like $3000 or so. I just can't believe the Electromotive multipoint is $2295. There must be something missing. Also did you see the part about a 7% horsepower gain is typical? That looks interesting and my boss at work said that is a believable gain becuase of the short spark plug wires being used.


[Modified by xfactor974, 3:53 PM 5/8/2002]

mrvette

I know DPFI/DIS for a BB is a LOT of bux, but for a SB, they are a dime a dzn by comparison....just use an old clean L98 setup, with 1227730 computer from a junkyard...buy a harness if you have to, or build your own....
get a chip from Breathless Perf....and have done with it for maybe as much as I spent some years ago....750 bux...probably less by now....

GENE

Flareside

An Air Gap? Why would you run a dual plane manifold with port injection :confused: We don't need no stinkin' "carb signal" :lol:

I would double check with them about that $2300 price. What manifold, fuel pump, regulator, rails, fuel filter, throttle body, etc. is included? I bet that price is for the electronics.


[Modified by Flareside, 2:23 PM 5/8/2002]

joeveto

Okay, here's a dumb one. Why not pirate a TPI unit from an older Vette or F-body. Or for that matter, why not a TBI from a truck or F-body? I would think it would be a lot cheaper, be a relative bolt on, and would have parts that are easier to replace. Am I wrong?

442olds

Electromotives systems are pretty trick. They have some really nice fuel and spark maps. It ranks in around the tuneability of a FAST setup. They do sell a complete kit (price unknown at this time, i didn't get a reply) for small and big blocks with intake and everysensor you need. http://www.electromotive-inc.com/mpi_kits.html I have seen these used on just about everything from honda cbr 600 motorcycle engines to late model lt-1's. Its a pretty versitile system and adapts well. Its compact and now that they have seperated the computer from the coil packs it looks even easier to make a clean install.

BDAZVET

xfactor974: The Force complete system for a small block sells for $2750. They write that the manifold is a dyno tested unit (?) with Haltec or Accel. I don`t know the cost of the Electromotive but you post that it`s $2300. That would be great for the newest (TEC-3) unit. But I believe that what is missing is the manifold, throttle body, fuel rails, pump, regulator and anything that Flareside can add. Also, GM sensors can be used in place of theirs to save some $$$.
Those that have posted that it might be cheaper to use a "junkyard" TPI and end up with good results are correct. For a small block. GM throttle body injection was really a stop gap between carbs and the new stuff including the truck-Vortec. I`m sure the truck Vortec for big blocks would work, but they are designed around a trucks` needs, not hi-performance `Vettes, and I`ll bet you someone out there is working on this right now. I did not know that Electromotive also includes the manifold. Hell that`s even better!
Remember,if it`s about the cost and performance of EFI vs. carb, carb wins everytime, even if someone is paid to adjust the `Ole Holley on a regular basis.

BDAZVET

take a look : Item # 1827664026 Accel DFI Fuel injection system w/ Calmap on ebay

BDAZVET

I was in error! Electromotive does have TPI manifolds for both small and big blocks! Includes everything.