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Old 05-15-2012, 10:00 PM
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Noticed after increasing the timing, I developed a miss or rough spot at 2000 to 2400 rpm. Above and below that everything was fine. Retarded the timing while I was holding the motor at 2000 and it went away. What causes the rough patch in the power band. Vacuum advance, spring size, etc????
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Forgot to add, timing is set at 24 degrees at idle. 11 to 1 motor with no ping issues.
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I'd like to plug that one into a SUN machine. I'll bet you could see it on the scope.
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It likely got lean at that spot. You could probably set it at 2000 with high timing and play with idle screws to see if it smoothed it to see. They might still be active at the RPM with no load.

Same thing happens with too much vacuum advance. Starts skipping/missing and surging when driving iff too much.


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Old 05-16-2012, 09:51 AM
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Thanks big block guys. The motor really likes the advanced timing, so I'll try the mixture trick.
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Originally Posted by Budman68
Forgot to add, timing is set at 24 degrees at idle. 11 to 1 motor with no ping issues.
24 with vacuum advance is ok (you can advance more), but 24 without vacuum advance at idle is too much IMHO.
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what is the total mechanical advance at about 3,000, assuming you dont have factory springs? how much additional is the vacuum advance adding?
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Will need to check that out. A buddy have my snap on light, so that will have to wait. I think my total all in was 35 to 38. Springs are not factory(using the lite springs) and yes 24 was without vacuum.

This motor revs very fast, so timing needs to come in quick.
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I agree with 427 - timing won't make it miss, but a lean-out issue exaggerated by timing can cause a miss.

24 initial is a good setup on an engine with a bit of a cam - I run 24 initial with a short and quick curve on mine, and it's right where it wants to be.

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A guess I could always increase the size of the squirter cam to add more fuel at a lower throttle position. Guess I need to just play with it little more.

On a funny note, as I was adjusting the timing you could hear the unburn fuel exploding in the pipes. Thought I blew out a gasket. lol.

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