427 Vs a 434 Small Block
10-20-2014, 09:45 AM
#41
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
10-20-2014, 10:37 AM
#42
Race Director
I understand what you are saying but it is an expensive Little M block. What you are doing is losing one life of it by going 30 over. I had a 400 OEM block and went 10 over to clean it up and then 30 over the next time and the engine is still running today with another rebuild possible, sorry but it does not make any sense to me, just my opinion that's all and I would rather say I have a 427ci in my Vette than a 434ci. 
I hope you put it on a dyno that thing is going to make some impressive power
I hope you put it on a dyno that thing is going to make some impressive power
10-20-2014, 10:51 AM
#43
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
I understand what you are saying but it is an expensive Little M block. What you are doing is losing one life of it by going 30 over. I had a 400 OEM block and went 10 over to clean it up and then 30 over the next time and the engine is still running today with another rebuild possible, sorry but it does not make any sense to me, just my opinion that's all and I would rather say I have a 427ci in my Vette than a 434ci.
I hope you put it on a dyno that thing is going to make some impressive power
I hope you put it on a dyno that thing is going to make some impressive power
10-20-2014, 10:54 AM
#44
Race Director
Paul, thanks for the pic. I contacted Milodon and they recommended a slightly different pan than that for me. I haven't taken it out of the box yet but I believe it is a 6 quart unit with the windage tray bolted into the pan #30908). Is that an older pic of your car? I thought you had an after market cross member? I am going with the BTO unit. I will need to spend some time dialing in my drive line angles as well.
Milidon... The pan i run has baffles and gates,,, with a separate windage screen.
31505 The hot tip for road racing due to trap door baffle system is to provide adequate oil supply on left & right turns. Proven highly effective in SCCA and other competition. Also great for very low Camaro, Chevelles and Covette in all applications including road race to drag race.
Pan Capacity is 7 Quarts Plus Filter-
10" Sump Length, 7 5/8" Sump Depth
Left Hand Dipstick, up to 1979 block 31505
Chevy Screen
#32250
THE "DIAMOND STRIPPER" WINDAGE TRAY
The most sophisticated windage tray available today! This exclusive Milodon design features hundreds and hundreds of small louvers that quickly scavenge oil from crankshaft rotation, but prevents reversion common to screen-type windage trays. This is a completely finished, gold irradiated part that does not require additional fitting. And it flat works! Extensive dynometers and on-track testing verifies that Milodon "Diamond Stripper" windage trays out-perform all other screen type trays on the market.
These trays will fit both the Small Block Chevy 350 and 400 main cap bolt pattern. They will also fit right and left hand dipstick engines, as when adjusted properly the dipstick will pass underneath the tray.
SB Chevy - 350 & 400 32250
this very much would like to see how the bigger heads and cam run as compared to my 427.... such a similar build:-)
10-20-2014, 03:50 PM
#45
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Danny and Chris have not fabbed me up the new crossmember yet... they have been to busy finishing up Derick Colman's Baja truck, and getting it ready for a photo shoot for an off road magazine... so, in the next 2 weeks... We will fab a new radiator fan shroud, rebuild my rear-end with the new parts and maybe my new cross member... just so much gong on for a hobby....
Milidon... The pan i run has baffles and gates,,, with a separate windage screen.
31505 The hot tip for road racing due to trap door baffle system is to provide adequate oil supply on left & right turns. Proven highly effective in SCCA and other competition. Also great for very low Camaro, Chevelles and Covette in all applications including road race to drag race.
Pan Capacity is 7 Quarts Plus Filter-
10" Sump Length, 7 5/8" Sump Depth
Left Hand Dipstick, up to 1979 block 31505
Chevy Screen
#32250
THE "DIAMOND STRIPPER" WINDAGE TRAY
The most sophisticated windage tray available today! This exclusive Milodon design features hundreds and hundreds of small louvers that quickly scavenge oil from crankshaft rotation, but prevents reversion common to screen-type windage trays. This is a completely finished, gold irradiated part that does not require additional fitting. And it flat works! Extensive dynometers and on-track testing verifies that Milodon "Diamond Stripper" windage trays out-perform all other screen type trays on the market.
These trays will fit both the Small Block Chevy 350 and 400 main cap bolt pattern. They will also fit right and left hand dipstick engines, as when adjusted properly the dipstick will pass underneath the tray.
SB Chevy - 350 & 400 32250
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very much would like to see how the bigger heads and cam run as compared to my 427.... such a similar build:-)
Milidon... The pan i run has baffles and gates,,, with a separate windage screen.
31505 The hot tip for road racing due to trap door baffle system is to provide adequate oil supply on left & right turns. Proven highly effective in SCCA and other competition. Also great for very low Camaro, Chevelles and Covette in all applications including road race to drag race.
Pan Capacity is 7 Quarts Plus Filter-
10" Sump Length, 7 5/8" Sump Depth
Left Hand Dipstick, up to 1979 block 31505
Chevy Screen
#32250
THE "DIAMOND STRIPPER" WINDAGE TRAY
The most sophisticated windage tray available today! This exclusive Milodon design features hundreds and hundreds of small louvers that quickly scavenge oil from crankshaft rotation, but prevents reversion common to screen-type windage trays. This is a completely finished, gold irradiated part that does not require additional fitting. And it flat works! Extensive dynometers and on-track testing verifies that Milodon "Diamond Stripper" windage trays out-perform all other screen type trays on the market.
These trays will fit both the Small Block Chevy 350 and 400 main cap bolt pattern. They will also fit right and left hand dipstick engines, as when adjusted properly the dipstick will pass underneath the tray.
SB Chevy - 350 & 400 32250
this very much would like to see how the bigger heads and cam run as compared to my 427.... such a similar build:-)
Following your build inspired me to freshen up my engine even though there probably is only 10,000 miles on that engine. (somebody is going to make out like a bandit when I decide to sell the existing components) I guess if I am to follow in your foot steps, I better plan on a rear diff upgrade at some point. The builder has an engine dyno and the plan is to tune it there. going to stick with a conventional carb for now. The builder makes his money from building engines for professional car and boat racing teams plus for car magazines. Hopefully he can squeeze me in and I can at least get the engine completed before the end of the year. Tony Mamo did the heads, cam any mildly ported the Titan intake for me. The heads are too pretty to put on an engine. He was great to work with and held my hand through the entire process.
10-20-2014, 03:51 PM
#46
Safety Car
Mine.......Milodon Stroker Low Profile #30908
10-20-2014, 04:00 PM
#47
Drifting
The SBC Crank case area was designed for max stroke of 3.75" Anytime you up the stroke over this you need to run a 2" kickout on the passenger side to reduce windage.
The oil pan is the only non-moving part that will destroy an engine if not correct.
The oil pan is the only non-moving part that will destroy an engine if not correct.
10-20-2014, 04:01 PM
#48
Race Director
Paul-
Following your build inspired me to freshen up my engine even though there probably is only 10,000 miles on that engine. (somebody is going to make out like a bandit when I decide to sell the existing components) I guess if I am to follow in your foot steps, I better plan on a rear diff upgrade at some point. The builder has an engine dyno and the plan is to tune it there. going to stick with a conventional carb for now. The builder makes his money from building engines for professional car and boat racing teams plus for car magazines. Hopefully he can squeeze me in and I can at least get the engine completed before the end of the year. Tony Mamo did the heads, cam any mildly ported the Titan intake for me. The heads are too pretty to put on an engine. He was great to work with and held my hand through the entire process.
Following your build inspired me to freshen up my engine even though there probably is only 10,000 miles on that engine. (somebody is going to make out like a bandit when I decide to sell the existing components) I guess if I am to follow in your foot steps, I better plan on a rear diff upgrade at some point. The builder has an engine dyno and the plan is to tune it there. going to stick with a conventional carb for now. The builder makes his money from building engines for professional car and boat racing teams plus for car magazines. Hopefully he can squeeze me in and I can at least get the engine completed before the end of the year. Tony Mamo did the heads, cam any mildly ported the Titan intake for me. The heads are too pretty to put on an engine. He was great to work with and held my hand through the entire process.
Very excited to see your dyno.... love to see builds like this,
,,, now i wish a little i would of went bigger in CI:-). AFR states right on there web site, :::::
Warning:
Use extreme caution if you choose to port this part. Porting may irreversibly damage your manifold if great care is not used and doing so may void your warranty. Always leave at least .080” between the port entrance and the gasket groove .... FYI
Last edited by pauldana; 10-20-2014 at 04:18 PM.
10-20-2014, 04:32 PM
#49
Race Director
Look at the flow numbers of your competition ported 220's compared to the out of the box 245's at the lift your cam has. You did good!
There is always someone faster with deeper pockets. You will have a lot of fun with your build if you can keep the driveline together.
10-20-2014, 05:01 PM
#50
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Thoes are very big heads, and a bigger cam than i have also.... i would be a bit worried about bottom end even with a 427..
Very excited to see your dyno.... love to see builds like this,,,, now i wish a little i would of went bigger in CI:-).
AFR states right on there web site, :::::
Warning:
Use extreme caution if you choose to port this part. Porting may irreversibly damage your manifold if great care is not used and doing so may void your warranty. Always leave at least .080” between the port entrance and the gasket groove .... FYI
Very excited to see your dyno.... love to see builds like this,
,,, now i wish a little i would of went bigger in CI:-). AFR states right on there web site, :::::
Warning:
Use extreme caution if you choose to port this part. Porting may irreversibly damage your manifold if great care is not used and doing so may void your warranty. Always leave at least .080” between the port entrance and the gasket groove .... FYI
10-20-2014, 05:06 PM
#51
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
I spoke with Milodon directly and questioned them about the kicked out rails for a stroked application. He said he owns a C3 and is very familiar with their design. Milodon apparently does not make one that will fit a C3. I am sure there are custom units out there. Are you saying that without kicked out rails the engine will fail?
Last edited by KJL; 10-20-2014 at 05:18 PM.
10-20-2014, 05:07 PM
#52
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
10-20-2014, 05:11 PM
#53
Drifting
Chris-
I spoke with Milodon directly and questioned them about the kicked out rails for a stroked application. He said he owns a C3 and is very familiar with their design. Milodon apparently does not make one that will fit a C3. I am sure their are custom units out there. Are you saying that without kicked out rails the engine will fail?
I spoke with Milodon directly and questioned them about the kicked out rails for a stroked application. He said he owns a C3 and is very familiar with their design. Milodon apparently does not make one that will fit a C3. I am sure their are custom units out there. Are you saying that without kicked out rails the engine will fail?
10-20-2014, 05:17 PM
#54
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
Do you know of any units that will fit a C3? A while back you gave me a link to look at, I emailed them and asked if they knew if their Chevy pan would specifically fit a C3. I did not hear back from them. I am sure it is not easy for these custom shops be familiar with every application.
10-20-2014, 06:00 PM
#55
Drifting
Do you know of any units that will fit a C3? A while back you gave me a link to look at, I emailed them and asked if they knew if their Chevy pan would specifically fit a C3. I did not hear back from them. I am sure it is not easy for these custom shops be familiar with every application.
10-20-2014, 08:29 PM
#56
Race Director
10-21-2014, 08:50 AM
#58
Melting Slicks
Thread Starter
I looked at Stef's web site and he did not have any applications for corvettes specifically. The only option he offered for stroker motors we notches in the pans. I didn't see any pans for wet sump applications with kicked out rails for that matter. I sent Joe an email to see if they have such a pan for my application and said you referred them to me. Wow...he just emailed me back and said they do and to call him. Will let you know how it goes...
10-21-2014, 09:31 AM
#59
Drifting
I looked at Stef's web site and he did not have any applications for corvettes specifically. The only option he offered for stroker motors we notches in the pans. I didn't see any pans for wet sump applications with kicked out rails for that matter. I sent Joe an email to see if they have such a pan for my application and said you referred them to me. Wow...he just emailed me back and said they do and to call him. Will let you know how it goes...
10-21-2014, 09:39 AM
#60
Drifting
If your building one of these the supporting cast members are large headers and large oil pan.