FAST EZ-EFI fuel return line & fittings question
#21
Drifting
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For what it is worth, They engineered the system with volume and pressure in mind. If they say you need 3/8" return, they did that looking at the volume of their pump and the calculated return volume. If you use a larger pump it is even more critical. You cannot have too large of a return, but you can have too small. You can remove the existing return and easily replace it with a larger hard line and solder it in - away from the tank. Bulkhead fittings are another option.
I am definitely going to drill out the stock return line and solder in a new 3/8" copper-nickel line bent to match the stock line. I bought a new sender, so I don't have to worry about leftover gasoline when I solder.
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Which Ez-EFI system are you going to be using; version 1 or 2?
If you are using version 1, I started a thread about it over 5 yrs ago that you might find some helpful info in. I was a very early adopter of the original Ez-EFI; I have been using it for over 4 yrs now with no issues. I love it!
Here is the thread I started:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-this-yet.html
Post #260 on page 13 shows my engine bay install:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-13.html
Post #274 on page 14 shows my fuel system:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-14.html
You can reach the FAST engineers directly, as well as other users, at the FAST product support forum here:
http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forum...ort-forum.235/
The complete Ez-EFI version1 install manual can be found here:
http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/910-30227.pdf
The complete Ez-EFI version2 install manual can be found here:
http://www.efisupply.com/images/fast...structions.pdf
If you don't want to solder or weld a return fitting in your fuel tank, you can drill a hole and install one of these:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...682n/overview/
If you have any questions that you feel I might be able to answer, feel free to contact me.
If you are using version 1, I started a thread about it over 5 yrs ago that you might find some helpful info in. I was a very early adopter of the original Ez-EFI; I have been using it for over 4 yrs now with no issues. I love it!
Here is the thread I started:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-this-yet.html
Post #260 on page 13 shows my engine bay install:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-13.html
Post #274 on page 14 shows my fuel system:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-14.html
You can reach the FAST engineers directly, as well as other users, at the FAST product support forum here:
http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forum...ort-forum.235/
The complete Ez-EFI version1 install manual can be found here:
http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/910-30227.pdf
The complete Ez-EFI version2 install manual can be found here:
http://www.efisupply.com/images/fast...structions.pdf
If you don't want to solder or weld a return fitting in your fuel tank, you can drill a hole and install one of these:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...682n/overview/
If you have any questions that you feel I might be able to answer, feel free to contact me.
#23
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Engine bay fuel line plumbing questions
Which Ez-EFI system are you going to be using; version 1 or 2?
If you are using version 1, I started a thread about it over 5 yrs ago that you might find some helpful info in. I was a very early adopter of the original Ez-EFI; I have been using it for over 4 yrs now with no issues. I love it!
Here is the thread I started:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-this-yet.html
Post #260 on page 13 shows my engine bay install:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-13.html
Post #274 on page 14 shows my fuel system:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-14.html
You can reach the FAST engineers directly, as well as other users, at the FAST product support forum here:
http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forum...ort-forum.235/
The complete Ez-EFI version1 install manual can be found here:
http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/910-30227.pdf
If you don't want to solder or weld a return fitting in your fuel tank, you can drill a hole and install one of these:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...682n/overview/
If you have any questions that you feel I might be able to answer, feel free to contact me.
If you are using version 1, I started a thread about it over 5 yrs ago that you might find some helpful info in. I was a very early adopter of the original Ez-EFI; I have been using it for over 4 yrs now with no issues. I love it!
Here is the thread I started:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...-this-yet.html
Post #260 on page 13 shows my engine bay install:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-13.html
Post #274 on page 14 shows my fuel system:
https://www.corvetteforum.com/forums...is-yet-14.html
You can reach the FAST engineers directly, as well as other users, at the FAST product support forum here:
http://www.cpgnation.com/forum/forum...ort-forum.235/
The complete Ez-EFI version1 install manual can be found here:
http://static.speedwaymotors.com/pdf/910-30227.pdf
If you don't want to solder or weld a return fitting in your fuel tank, you can drill a hole and install one of these:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...682n/overview/
If you have any questions that you feel I might be able to answer, feel free to contact me.
I am installing the FAST EZ version 1, and it was just delivered today. I signed up on the FAST forum on www.cpgnation.com too.
I studied your engine bay pictures at F.A.S.T. EZ-EFI; is anyone using this yet? - page 4. Very nice. I especially like braided lines from the hard lines on the frame to bulkhead on the front of the block and the hard lines to the fuel rails.
Do you have a parts list for the braided to bulkhead to fuel rail hard lines? I like where you put the regulator and gauge too.
Thanks!!
#24
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I used teflon lined ss braided and the associated fittings.... many rubber ss braided hoses will weep or are too permeable and make your garage smell like gasoline, also ethanol is not very friendly to the rubber hoses. Check out the link below, you'll have to use their fittings.
http://www.anfittingsdirect.com./
http://www.anfittingsdirect.com./
only use Teflon lined hose
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Thanks for the wealth of information. I would have responded sooner, but there was a LOT to read in those posts. I read it all.
I am installing the FAST EZ version 1, and it was just delivered today. I signed up on the FAST forum on www.cpgnation.com too.
I studied your engine bay pictures at F.A.S.T. EZ-EFI; is anyone using this yet? - page 4. Very nice. I especially like braided lines from the hard lines on the frame to bulkhead on the front of the block and the hard lines to the fuel rails.
Do you have a parts list for the braided to bulkhead to fuel rail hard lines? I like where you put the regulator and gauge too.
Thanks!!
I am installing the FAST EZ version 1, and it was just delivered today. I signed up on the FAST forum on www.cpgnation.com too.
I studied your engine bay pictures at F.A.S.T. EZ-EFI; is anyone using this yet? - page 4. Very nice. I especially like braided lines from the hard lines on the frame to bulkhead on the front of the block and the hard lines to the fuel rails.
Do you have a parts list for the braided to bulkhead to fuel rail hard lines? I like where you put the regulator and gauge too.
Thanks!!
These are the fittings I used at both the frame hard to braided line and block braided to hard line junction points:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...637n/overview/
I used those type fittings because I wanted the junction points to be rigidly mounted; I have a 37 degree flare tool which I used to flare all the hard line. I don't think I posted a clear pic of the frame junction point, so here is one before the bracket I fabricated was painted:
The hard lines used these tube nuts and sleeves for 37 degree flared tube ends:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...3-2n/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4-2n/overview/
All the braided fittings and hose are Aeroquip.
Hose:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...0606/overview/
Straight hose fitting at the frame junction point:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...1012/overview/
90 degree hose fitting at the block junction point:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4032/overview/
Although they are stated for use with "low pressure", there are compression type hard to AN line adapters available that don't require the hard line to be flared:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...rder=Ascending
I didn't feel comfortable using the compression type fitting with EFI pressures, which is why I went to the trouble of flaring everything.
BTW, the warnings of gas smell through the regular braided lines is true, and at some point in the near future, I will swapping them all out for the Teflon lined hose and fittings.
Hope this helps.
Last edited by 7t2vette; 12-31-2014 at 04:30 PM.
#26
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Very helpful!
All the AN parts are -6 in size.
These are the fittings I used at both the frame hard to braided line and block braided to hard line junction points:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...637n/overview/
I used those type fittings because I wanted the junction points to be rigidly mounted; I have a 37 degree flare tool which I used to flare all the hard line. I don't think I posted a clear pic of the frame junction point, so here is one before the bracket I fabricated was painted:
The hard lines used these tube nuts and sleeves for 37 degree flared tube ends:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...3-2n/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4-2n/overview/
All the braided fittings and hose are Aeroquip.
Hose:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...0606/overview/
Straight hose fitting at the frame junction point:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...1012/overview/
90 degree hose fitting at the block junction point:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4032/overview/
Although they are stated for use with "low pressure", there are compression type hard to AN line adapters available that don't require the hard line to be flared:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...rder=Ascending
I didn't feel comfortable using the compression type fitting with EFI pressures, which is why I went to the trouble of flaring everything.
BTW, the warnings of gas smell through the regular braided lines is true, and at some point in the near future, I will swapping them all out for the Teflon lined hose and fittings.
Hope this helps.
These are the fittings I used at both the frame hard to braided line and block braided to hard line junction points:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...637n/overview/
I used those type fittings because I wanted the junction points to be rigidly mounted; I have a 37 degree flare tool which I used to flare all the hard line. I don't think I posted a clear pic of the frame junction point, so here is one before the bracket I fabricated was painted:
The hard lines used these tube nuts and sleeves for 37 degree flared tube ends:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...3-2n/overview/
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4-2n/overview/
All the braided fittings and hose are Aeroquip.
Hose:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...0606/overview/
Straight hose fitting at the frame junction point:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...1012/overview/
90 degree hose fitting at the block junction point:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/part...4032/overview/
Although they are stated for use with "low pressure", there are compression type hard to AN line adapters available that don't require the hard line to be flared:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...rder=Ascending
I didn't feel comfortable using the compression type fitting with EFI pressures, which is why I went to the trouble of flaring everything.
BTW, the warnings of gas smell through the regular braided lines is true, and at some point in the near future, I will swapping them all out for the Teflon lined hose and fittings.
Hope this helps.
The ss braided PTFE hose I plan to use () has a 2500 psi max pressure and a 400 degree max temperature, but I was concerned about what type of hose end would work with a Walbro 255 lph high pressure pump:
Socketless barb type like:
Fragola Performance Systems Series 8000 Push-Lite Race Hose Ends
Or socket type like:
Summit Racing® Hose Ends SUM-220690
I plan to use 90 deg bulkhead fittings on the '82 sender and the braided-solid transition on the aluminum bulkhead mounted on the left head:
Bulkhead Adapter Fitting
I think I am ready to order parts. (y)
Thanks everyone for your suggestions and experience. I will start another thread that includes the RPM Air Gap, in-tank pump, plumbing, and FAST EZ.
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You can't use regular AN fittings like the links you posted with PTFE hose, it requires specific PTFE fittings:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...ose%20fittings
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...ose%20fittings
#28
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You can't use regular AN fittings like the links you posted with PTFE hose, it requires specific PTFE fittings:
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...ose%20fittings
http://www.summitracing.com/int/sear...ose%20fittings