New Radiator shroud hits fan 1969
#1
New Radiator shroud hits fan 1969
Have a 1969 L46 4-speed/no AC with copper radiator. I installed a new shroud and there does not appear to be enough clearance between the fan blades and the new shroud. I've tried to adjust the shroud but I can't seem to get enough clearance. Is there a way to adjust the motor, looks like I can't. Anyone out there gone through a similar dilemma?
#2
Racer
where is it contacting the shroud?
Could be worn engine or transmission mounts that cause the motor to not sit quite reight, or it could just be a bad re-pop shroud...
Could be worn engine or transmission mounts that cause the motor to not sit quite reight, or it could just be a bad re-pop shroud...
#3
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What he said.
If the engine and transmission mounts are old/worn, the fan will be likely to hit the shroud, sometime during operation.
The shroud opening should be about 1-1/2" larger in diameter than the fan blades. That means there should be 1/2" to 3/4" clearance to the fan everywhere around the shroud. It is also possible that the fan and/or shroud have been changed sometime in the past and they are mis-matched.
With the car sitting in the driveway and running, open the hood and rev the engine while you watch the position of the fan inside the shroud. If the relationship between the fan and shroud change, you have worn mounts.
If the engine and transmission mounts are old/worn, the fan will be likely to hit the shroud, sometime during operation.
The shroud opening should be about 1-1/2" larger in diameter than the fan blades. That means there should be 1/2" to 3/4" clearance to the fan everywhere around the shroud. It is also possible that the fan and/or shroud have been changed sometime in the past and they are mis-matched.
With the car sitting in the driveway and running, open the hood and rev the engine while you watch the position of the fan inside the shroud. If the relationship between the fan and shroud change, you have worn mounts.
Last edited by 7T1vette; 02-15-2015 at 12:25 PM.
#4
What he said.
If the engine and transmission mounts are old/worn, the fan will be likely to hit the shroud, sometime during operation.
The shroud opening should be about 1-1/2" larger in diameter than the fan blades. That means there should be 1/2" to 3/4" clearance to the fan everywhere around the shroud. It is also possible that the fan and/or shroud have been changed sometime in the past and they are mis-matched.
With the car sitting in the driveway and running, open the hood and rev the engine while you watch the position of the fan inside the shroud. If the relationship between the fan and shroud change, you have worn mounts.
If the engine and transmission mounts are old/worn, the fan will be likely to hit the shroud, sometime during operation.
The shroud opening should be about 1-1/2" larger in diameter than the fan blades. That means there should be 1/2" to 3/4" clearance to the fan everywhere around the shroud. It is also possible that the fan and/or shroud have been changed sometime in the past and they are mis-matched.
With the car sitting in the driveway and running, open the hood and rev the engine while you watch the position of the fan inside the shroud. If the relationship between the fan and shroud change, you have worn mounts.
#5
Racer
Thanks so much for the quick answers. The motor mounts are new in the front and they are the correct ones (original style so I could install the ignition shields correctly). I've never replaced the transmission mount but it seems solid/intact. The fan hits the shroud at the top of the shroud, so I was wondering if I changed the transmission mount or added a spacer to raise the back of the transmission a small amount it would lower the fan height enough to get me the clearance I need.
Try replacing the mount with a new, correct one...see fi that helps...if not, it could just be the shroud...
Are you sure it is the correct fan (could someone have made a change tot he fan type/size)?
#7
Team Owner
You don't "fix" a problem by band-aiding something else. The shroud has not moved. Replace the rubber transmission mount. It's not that hard or expensive.
#8
why did you replace the shroud and you are sure it is identical to the original?
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Racer
Have a 1969 L46 4-speed/no AC with copper radiator. I installed a new shroud and there does not appear to be enough clearance between the fan blades and the new shroud. I've tried to adjust the shroud but I can't seem to get enough clearance. Is there a way to adjust the motor, looks like I can't. Anyone out there gone through a similar dilemma?
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Have a 1969 L46 4-speed/no AC with copper radiator. I installed a new shroud and there does not appear to be enough clearance between the fan blades and the new shroud. I've tried to adjust the shroud but I can't seem to get enough clearance. Is there a way to adjust the motor, looks like I can't. Anyone out there gone through a similar dilemma?
This might be your problem I'm not sure... The imported by Auto Pro shroud out California was the one that was too soft.
Willcox
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I would not mess with spacers, etc...could trhow off the drivetrain geometry and create a vibration...
Try replacing the mount with a new, correct one...see fi that helps...if not, it could just be the shroud...
Are you sure it is the correct fan (could someone have made a change tot he fan type/size)?
Try replacing the mount with a new, correct one...see fi that helps...if not, it could just be the shroud...
Are you sure it is the correct fan (could someone have made a change tot he fan type/size)?
#12
At one time there were two suppliers of the ABS shrouds! One that makes it in the stiff original style and one makes it in the flexible style. The flexible style was too soft and when installed will flex down and hit the fan blades. The shroud part numbers affected would be old gm p/n 3956109 and 3956119.
This might be your problem I'm not sure... The imported by Auto Pro shroud out California was the one that was too soft.
Willcox
This might be your problem I'm not sure... The imported by Auto Pro shroud out California was the one that was too soft.
Willcox
#13
I would not mess with spacers, etc...could trhow off the drivetrain geometry and create a vibration...
Try replacing the mount with a new, correct one...see fi that helps...if not, it could just be the shroud...
Are you sure it is the correct fan (could someone have made a change tot he fan type/size)?
Try replacing the mount with a new, correct one...see fi that helps...if not, it could just be the shroud...
Are you sure it is the correct fan (could someone have made a change tot he fan type/size)?
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What shims are you talking about? The core support is bolted on the left and right with 3 bolts on each side. The bottom has two bolts but I thought if I put shims in there I would not be able to get it in. Maybe I could loosen up the core support and see if I can get a little more clearance?
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Racer
Sounds to me like Willcox gave you the answer although it will cost more than a trannie mount Phil
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I have both on the website but the one you want is the duller looking one. The shinny black is the softer one. I suppose we should pull that one from the site... Before you go spending extra money you might try to make a tweak in the upper bracket. We had a customer bring a car in with one in and I don't remember what we did, but I know it involved the center mounting bracket and it did solve the problem.
http://willcoxcorvette.com/advanced_...ck+69&x=27&y=2
http://willcoxcorvette.com/advanced_...ck+69&x=27&y=2
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I have both on the website but the one you want is the duller looking one. The shinny black is the softer one. I suppose we should pull that one from the site... Before you go spending extra money you might try to make a tweak in the upper bracket. We had a customer bring a car in with one in and I don't remember what we did, but I know it involved the center mounting bracket and it did solve the problem.
http://willcoxcorvette.com/advanced_...ck+69&x=27&y=2
http://willcoxcorvette.com/advanced_...ck+69&x=27&y=2
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At one time there were two suppliers of the ABS shrouds! One that makes it in the stiff original style and one makes it in the flexible style. The flexible style was too soft and when installed will flex down and hit the fan blades. The shroud part numbers affected would be old gm p/n 3956109 and 3956119.
This might be your problem I'm not sure... The imported by Auto Pro shroud out California was the one that was too soft.
Willcox
This might be your problem I'm not sure... The imported by Auto Pro shroud out California was the one that was too soft.
Willcox
I'm right in the middle of this problem now as I've documented in this thread.
SL